A false statement ?

[roofer]

I have some lads of mine working on a council building, that also houses the CCTV operations system for the town. They get issued with a ticket for carrying people in the back of the van, fair enough.

On the ticket, it says the incident happened on x road and an officer issued you with a ticket. This is not true, the Special Constable operating the CCTV system saw the incident on a camera as they exited the van inside the town hall compound.

Ticket valid ? He's issued 3 now, 2 with the wrong date, IE Friday the 14th, but the Friday was the 16th. He's also trained a camera onto the roof, and grassed them up for having a smoke. Nice Fella.

[Mk3Spitfire]

Are you saying the carrying of persons didn't happen, didn't happen on the road specified, or that it happened in a car park?

If he got the name of the road wrong, this doesn't necessarily invalidate a ticket. If there is CCTV evidence of him lying, then challenge the ticket and use the footage.

Who is "he"? Assuming you mean police officer, or is it the special who also works the cameras?

[roofer]

It's the special that works the cameras. They were carrying in the back, but this was recorded in the councils internal courtyard, although the ticket states an officer issued a ticket in xxxx road.

[Mk3Spitfire]

Well chances are then that the special saw them on camera, radio'd through to trafpol mate who waited up/went looking for said van, and stopped him on x road, thereby giving him the ticket. Not sure what his problem is with them smoking on the roof though.

[Sheepshanks]

Aren't you worried about having HSE jumping up and down all over you (especially for carrying employees in the back of the van)?

[roofer]

Mk3Spitfire said:

Well chances are then that the special saw them on camera, radio'd through to trafpol mate who waited up/went looking for said van, and stopped him on x road, thereby giving him the ticket. Not sure what his problem is with them smoking on the roof though.

At no time were they issued with a ticket. Just a NIP through the post, 2 with the wrong dates.

[roofer]

Sheepshanks said:

Aren't you worried about having HSE jumping up and down all over you (especially for carrying employees in the back of the van)?

Nope, they're subbies, and they're being enviro friendly not using 3 vans to get to work

[Jayessgee]

I got caught speeding once and the policeman wrote the wrong date on the ticket. Thought I'd challenge it and had my day in court with defence of "I was not there on the date specified on the ticket". Policeman produced his ticket book, proved my ticket was written in sync with his other tickets that day and said he must have written the wrong date on it. I got hammered! Chance you take I suppose. I'm led to believe a lot of police don't turn up in court, in which case they're not there to contest what you say.

[Sheepshanks]

Jayessgee said:

I got hammered!

I know a couple of old-school Magistrates and they really don't like it if they think you're taking the piss. And Police Officers never lie.

[Jayessgee]

Sheepshanks said:

I know a couple of old-school Magistrates and they really don't like it if they think you're taking the piss. And Police Officers never lie.

Tell me about it. I was young and naive and genuinely thought I had a case!!! Lesson learnt.

[anonymous-user]

roofer said:

Nope, they're subbies, and they're being enviro friendly not using 3 vans to get to work

You are still responsible for them under HSE rules.

[roofer]

NinjaPower said:

roofer said:

Nope, they're subbies, and they're being enviro friendly not using 3 vans to get to work

You are still responsible for them under HSE rules.

When they're are within the confines of my site, until then, they are the general public.