SAC...Another Myth?
Discussion
Attended one today
good points, great computer reconstruction of the M4 Hungerford Crash, and group discussions regarding accidents
BAD point (IMO)
Tutor claimed the following
Out of the myriad of triangular warning signs only four are placed 'mandatory'
These are
School
Level Crossing
Low Bridge
Roundabout
and then the killer remark, which i am going o query with AA Drivetech in case i mishesrd
All other road signs are placed 'where a collision has occurred' as are the SLOW signs painted on the road
With regard to the Wild Animals sign it covers hitting a wild animal, then a sign is erected.
Oh Yes???????
Surely if that is the case, there would be millions of signs on the roads!!!!
good points, great computer reconstruction of the M4 Hungerford Crash, and group discussions regarding accidents
BAD point (IMO)
Tutor claimed the following
Out of the myriad of triangular warning signs only four are placed 'mandatory'
These are
School
Level Crossing
Low Bridge
Roundabout
and then the killer remark, which i am going o query with AA Drivetech in case i mishesrd
All other road signs are placed 'where a collision has occurred' as are the SLOW signs painted on the road
With regard to the Wild Animals sign it covers hitting a wild animal, then a sign is erected.
Oh Yes???????
Surely if that is the case, there would be millions of signs on the roads!!!!
ahh the art of the Drivetech gross generalisation. There are loads of them about accidents, warnings, how signs appear, how mobile speedcams are deployed. Presented as complete fact. So you ask, how does that happen? Is it legislated? No. Is it a central committee of local government highway depts? No. So who is it? What body sets these criteria? What body ensures they are adhered to across the country.
Noone, nobody.
SAC b
ks.
Gets my goat, boils my piss as you can tell.
Bert
Noone, nobody.
SAC b
ks.Gets my goat, boils my piss as you can tell.
Bert
sounds to me like Chinese whispers or someone getting the wrong end of the stick
did he honestly try and tell you road signs only go up after accidents?
if he did he should see the number of road signs that go up on new roads (including many new road layout ahead ones nearby)
does he think there are a lot of really bad highway maintenance drivers always getting into accidents on unopened roads?
did he honestly try and tell you road signs only go up after accidents?
if he did he should see the number of road signs that go up on new roads (including many new road layout ahead ones nearby)
does he think there are a lot of really bad highway maintenance drivers always getting into accidents on unopened roads?
I also attended one of these yesterday.
They used worldwide road death statistics rather than UK only, which I found annoying. Most of the speaking came across as if both of the presenters worked for BRAKE, with some slightly skewed presentation of statistics and such.
We also discussed the consequences of speeding, ranging from mild to major. The presenter had a habit of saying a sentence, but without saying the last word, eg. 'And if you lose your licence, you could also lose....?'. I felt that this technique put words into peoples mouths and was not representative of what they would actually write themselves.
The final list (consequences of speeding) looked something like this:
- No consequences
- Caught by speed camera
- Minor accident
- Major accident
- Loss of licence
- Loss of job
- Loss of home/wife
- Possible suicide
Yes, suicide was on the list! I thought that this chain of events was rather sensationalist.
They used worldwide road death statistics rather than UK only, which I found annoying. Most of the speaking came across as if both of the presenters worked for BRAKE, with some slightly skewed presentation of statistics and such.
We also discussed the consequences of speeding, ranging from mild to major. The presenter had a habit of saying a sentence, but without saying the last word, eg. 'And if you lose your licence, you could also lose....?'. I felt that this technique put words into peoples mouths and was not representative of what they would actually write themselves.
The final list (consequences of speeding) looked something like this:
- No consequences
- Caught by speed camera
- Minor accident
- Major accident
- Loss of licence
- Loss of job
- Loss of home/wife
- Possible suicide
Yes, suicide was on the list! I thought that this chain of events was rather sensationalist.
I attended a SAC in April after committing the heinous act of 37 (30 limit) on an industrial dual carriageway. I saw the van but the sneaky fookers had put ambulance style chevrons on the back, hence I thought was an ambulance until spotting the camera too late.
Main points:-
) Every person bar one had been caught in a 30 limit.
) When they showed the picture of a dual carriageway with street lighting at
the start of the course and asked the speed limit, 80% said 70mph, rest
said either 60 or 50. I was the only person who said 30mph and thus won a
Blue Peter badge
) If you're Asian and have a poor grasp of English (or FA), you can sit there
for 4hrs, utter not a word and still pass the course.
) Of the two 50 something 'presenters', one was easygoing and entertaining, the other a condescending, patronising git with a nasty habit of staring at some point on the ceiling whilst lecturing the room.
Main points:-
) Every person bar one had been caught in a 30 limit.
) When they showed the picture of a dual carriageway with street lighting at
the start of the course and asked the speed limit, 80% said 70mph, rest
said either 60 or 50. I was the only person who said 30mph and thus won a
Blue Peter badge
) If you're Asian and have a poor grasp of English (or FA), you can sit there
for 4hrs, utter not a word and still pass the course.
) Of the two 50 something 'presenters', one was easygoing and entertaining, the other a condescending, patronising git with a nasty habit of staring at some point on the ceiling whilst lecturing the room.
TTC2000 one in Shropshire was, surprisingly, good. (maybe same lecturer as Powys!)
However one I did several years back in N Wales was full of so much misinformation that I nearly lost the will to live.
I still remember him insisting that if there was no crash barrier in the central reservation, then it wasn't dual carriageway.
However one I did several years back in N Wales was full of so much misinformation that I nearly lost the will to live.
I still remember him insisting that if there was no crash barrier in the central reservation, then it wasn't dual carriageway.
I went to one earlier this year (in Bolton). I actually found it quite informative, and interesting - basic rules for telling the speed limit when you can't immediately see a sign etc. Mostly stuff that you know, but has recessed in the mind a bit, so good to refresh it.
Main gripe was a big section on eco-driving, which was completely irrelevant to the point of the course.
It was amusing some of the strange ideas some folk had though, one guy asked, "if it's a 30, what speed can you actually do?" ...er...30 And when it came to keeping safe gaps to the car infront, someone said 2 car lengths was sufficient in a 30. When the instructor told her it should be more like 6 - 8, she replied with, "oh, yeh, I was thinking of motorways"....
Main gripe was a big section on eco-driving, which was completely irrelevant to the point of the course.
It was amusing some of the strange ideas some folk had though, one guy asked, "if it's a 30, what speed can you actually do?" ...er...30 And when it came to keeping safe gaps to the car infront, someone said 2 car lengths was sufficient in a 30. When the instructor told her it should be more like 6 - 8, she replied with, "oh, yeh, I was thinking of motorways"....
silverfoxcc said:
good points, great computer reconstruction of the M4 Hungerford Crash, and group discussions regarding accidents
Our guy said if anyone had experience of an RTA and felt seeing the reconstruction would have a significant emotional impact on them....they could leave the room. Which was cool because a) It was sunny b) the M4 crash was fog and speeds that no one would have got done for. So I skipped it and caught some rays 
TooMany2cvs said:
Sounds like an issue with this particular individual or, at worst, this provider. The one I took earlier this year had none of that kind of rubbish - have to admit, I came away impressed. That was run by TTC2000, in Powys.
My dispute with the TTC2000 one I did was it was 90% about 30-40mph limit speed and emphasis with speeding in 30 past schools. I was doing 84 on a dual carriageway there nothing that put you off this. The reason I keep my speed down in 30-40 limits is because of the risk of hazards and children/people.Also one tutor wad adi with mostly good stuff to say other was a registrar who obliviously had a lack of social life and needed the money.
The adi made some very sweeping statements if your have ever driven a van at 70mph you were speeding as they are all limited when I quoted the car dervived van under 2400kgs etc he didnt want to be told and said well and moved on.
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