Boss's Kid + Stanley Knife!
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Yesterday the boss had his 2 children in the office. One 9 and the other 14-15ish. They we're in as the boss was having a new PC delivered and wanted me to set it up and install a few bits and bobs. The older son was giving me a hand so he knew what to do.
The younger one being a bit left out keeps coming over and demanding that it's his turn NOW. Shouting threatening and being a general nasty little git. I give him a seat and we set him up with an account (wallpaper etc.) but while i'm doing it he tries to attach a bulldog clip to my ear because I wont let him password his account. He eventually drops the clip and decides he'll up the danger, by grabbing a Stanley knife out of the cupboard and starts waving it at my face!
I grab the little brats wrist take the knife off him, and shove him back into a chair. Then I shout at him for a bit. His dad (the boss) comes over shouts at him for a bit and then sends him to an empty office. Where he starts to throw stuff around. 5 mins later it's all forgotten by the boss and thats the extent of his punishment!
I think the kid needs help if he thinks it's acceptable to threaten people with knives at the slightest thing. Surly at 9yo you know thats not the way to behave! Violence with a weapon is always this kids 1st option if he doesn't get his way!
What i'd like to do is scare the boss into doing something. I'm reasonably sure a law has been broken, but what law and whats the likely punishment. Particularly if the kid had cut me!
Cheers!
(Oh and if I break his arm restraining him next time....will that be a problem?
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The younger one being a bit left out keeps coming over and demanding that it's his turn NOW. Shouting threatening and being a general nasty little git. I give him a seat and we set him up with an account (wallpaper etc.) but while i'm doing it he tries to attach a bulldog clip to my ear because I wont let him password his account. He eventually drops the clip and decides he'll up the danger, by grabbing a Stanley knife out of the cupboard and starts waving it at my face!
I grab the little brats wrist take the knife off him, and shove him back into a chair. Then I shout at him for a bit. His dad (the boss) comes over shouts at him for a bit and then sends him to an empty office. Where he starts to throw stuff around. 5 mins later it's all forgotten by the boss and thats the extent of his punishment!
I think the kid needs help if he thinks it's acceptable to threaten people with knives at the slightest thing. Surly at 9yo you know thats not the way to behave! Violence with a weapon is always this kids 1st option if he doesn't get his way!
What i'd like to do is scare the boss into doing something. I'm reasonably sure a law has been broken, but what law and whats the likely punishment. Particularly if the kid had cut me!
Cheers!
(Oh and if I break his arm restraining him next time....will that be a problem?
)10yo is the age of legal reponsibility so the 9yo hasn't commited a crime because as far as the law is concerned he is unable to conciously break the law. Sounds like he needs damn good thrashing.
If you were to break his arm restraining him i wouldn't plan any holidays for the next couple of years.
If you were to break his arm restraining him i wouldn't plan any holidays for the next couple of years.
MilnerR said:
10yo is the age of legal reponsibility so the 9yo hasn't commited a crime because as far as the law is concerned he is unable to conciously break the law.
Well thats usefull. I can tell the boss if he does it when he's 10 then his kid'll be in court.
MilnerR said:I agree! But all he ever gets is "now dont do that it's not nice" as he's kicking his dad.
Sounds like he needs damn good thrashing.
MilnerR said:Damnit...this worlds so unjust!
If you were to break his arm restraining him i wouldn't plan any holidays for the next couple of years.
Munter said:
10yo is the age of legal reponsibility so the 9yo hasn't commited a crime because as far as the law is concerned he is unable to conciously break the law.
Well thats usefull. I can tell the boss if he does it when he's 10 then his kid'll be in court.
MilnerR said:
Sounds like he needs damn good thrashing.
I agree! But all he ever gets is "now dont do that it's not nice" as he's kicking his dad.
MilnerR said:
If you were to break his arm restraining him i wouldn't plan any holidays for the next couple of years.
Damnit...this worlds so unjust!
Ah, the joys of Child Protection.
Effectively there is very little you can do. I don't doubt it's much the same for the Police.
Sure, they can receive a "caution" ; which means - what ? Nothing.
It's the way of things. There is a big thing about "positive reinforcement" and so on of behaviour, which is all well and good, but actually there needs to be some negative reinforcement as well sometimes, otherwise some kids simply play the system "Yes, Mrs Social Worker, I was very bad, I understand perfectly, I won't do it again (until you aren't looking)".
The sad thing from my POV is there is a "next step" ; the juvenile prisons. Which are really awful ; violence, bullying, abuse are rampant - and that includes the staff.
Strikes me as insane. At the moment there actually is very little between "nowt" and "prison".
One of the cops posted me a list once of the "things you can do" ; most of them seemed either irrelevant (i.e. for 16-18 year olds) or negligible.
autismuk said:
Strikes me as insane. At the moment there actually is very little between "nowt" and "prison".
Thats the thing. This kid needs to be taken into hand now. Or it's only going to get worse. He'll get to secondary school, have a bit of a fight and then grab a chisel or somthing and try and stab a kid. His dad just wont punish him effectively and it's not fair to the kid.
Problem with young kids is their absolute lack of reason. The 9yo will have been spoilt in the past by the sounds of it and has a problem when the attention isn't centred around him. He will basically be a collection of emotions which he cannot control as he has not learnt to yet. Jealousy, rage, anger, selfishness etc (all the best ones).
I've had experiance of a child of similar age who had never seen much in the way of disipline at all. It took years to correct some of the behavior and it wasn't by using the namby pamby lets discuss everything method. I'm also glad that he's turning out to be a really good kid. No angel mind but who was at that age.
I've had experiance of a child of similar age who had never seen much in the way of disipline at all. It took years to correct some of the behavior and it wasn't by using the namby pamby lets discuss everything method. I'm also glad that he's turning out to be a really good kid. No angel mind but who was at that age.
I would be seriously concerned about a nine year old (and his parents) that thought it was acceptable to wave a stanley knife in someones face.
I would avoid the situation in future rather than try anc confront your boss. No one likes to be told their child is seriously misbehaving.
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I would avoid the situation in future rather than try anc confront your boss. No one likes to be told their child is seriously misbehaving.
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Pickled Piper said:
I would be seriously concerned about a nine year old (and his parents) that thought it was acceptable to wave a stanley knife in someones face.
I would avoid the situation in future rather than try anc confront your boss. No one likes to be told their child is seriously misbehaving.
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I cant really avoid the kid. Small company/small office and he's here for an hour every day after school. His dad knew it was unacceptable, but refuses to affectively punish his child....sigh Well at least he's not mine!
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