new electrical regs for 2005
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Sorry chaps, not a SP&L subject really, but anyone seen these new electrical regulations the government have brought in?
Is you change a single socket for a double one in your kitchen, you have to pay up to £293 for the council to inspect it!.
If you use a proper qualified electrician to do it, this drops to £58.
Huge fine and imprisonment are on the cards if you don't.
This includes anything in your garden or shed.
Sure this government have a department that exists only to find new ways to fine us for everything!
Is you change a single socket for a double one in your kitchen, you have to pay up to £293 for the council to inspect it!.
If you use a proper qualified electrician to do it, this drops to £58.
Huge fine and imprisonment are on the cards if you don't.
This includes anything in your garden or shed.
Sure this government have a department that exists only to find new ways to fine us for everything!
Its a load of drivel, but be very careful because your insurance company will demand that these regulations are followed to the letter.
Did you know you now need a certificate to install a PVCu window?
It will just encourage more people to do the job themselves. Besides, you can count the annual number of domestic deaths due to faulty electrics on the fingers of both hands, so I reckon its a 'jobs for the boys' scam.
I'm just going to tell anybody that asks that all the wiring was done before Jan 1st 2005. How will they know differently?
Did you know you now need a certificate to install a PVCu window?
It will just encourage more people to do the job themselves. Besides, you can count the annual number of domestic deaths due to faulty electrics on the fingers of both hands, so I reckon its a 'jobs for the boys' scam.
I'm just going to tell anybody that asks that all the wiring was done before Jan 1st 2005. How will they know differently?
parrot of doom said:
I'm just going to tell anybody that asks that all the wiring was done before Jan 1st 2005. How will they know differently?
They will probably tell every homeowner that they HAVE to get their house audited by the end of this year (at homeowners cost of course) so they would have it all on file.
Waiting for this to happen..,.
I've been commenting around here on these new regs for a while. It's a completely unacceptable control-freak mentality but was kept so quiet that nobody protested until now it's too late.
It's a good job I installed my new heated bathroom floor and moved my towel rail in December and not January.
It's a good job I installed my new heated bathroom floor and moved my towel rail in December and not January.
Section P of the building regs (electrical installation) has a table of non notifiable items (Table 1)
"replacement of socket outlets, ceiling roses etc is not notifiable".
If you had seen some of the horrendous death traps caused by "Mr DIY" you may think this regulation was infact quite usefull,. To certify electrical installations you require a member of the NICEIC (most reputable electrical contractors) not "the council".
Alan
"replacement of socket outlets, ceiling roses etc is not notifiable".
If you had seen some of the horrendous death traps caused by "Mr DIY" you may think this regulation was infact quite usefull,. To certify electrical installations you require a member of the NICEIC (most reputable electrical contractors) not "the council".
Alan
alans said:
Section P of the building regs (electrical installation) has a table of non notifiable items (Table 1)
"replacement of socket outlets, ceiling roses etc is not notifiable".
If you had seen some of the horrendous death traps caused by "Mr DIY" you may think this regulation was infact quite usefull,. To certify electrical installations you require a member of the NICEIC (most reputable electrical contractors) not "the council".
Alan
OK, but what about other things done by amateurs that could be dangerous? Why just pick on electrical work? What about DIY car repairs, for example? I'd like to see the figures for deaths caused by amateur electrical work to justify the introduction of yet another new criminal offence.
I once knew a builder who didn't realise that you were meant to put the switch on the live wire. The light went on and off so why worry? It's not just the DIYers who can get it wrong.
A quick google and came up with this, which explains things quite well:
www.basildon.gov.uk/80256B980036C7D2/vWeb/wpAJPS674E4C
Couple of comments:
1) Basic and simple stuff is not regulated
2) Only really affects stuff of high wattage or in "wet" areas
3) There is NO enforcement of these new rules (yet)
Basically its there to enforce a minimum standard of wiring for homes, specifically when its the dangerous stuff. To be honest it wont really affect anyone until they come to move. The new regulations will ensure that the new house you are moving too will be of a relatively sound standard of wiring - oh, and you need to ensure that your house is of good standard.
So, do we really need to get an electrician to fit a new socket? NO
Dont get carried away please....
www.basildon.gov.uk/80256B980036C7D2/vWeb/wpAJPS674E4C
Couple of comments:
1) Basic and simple stuff is not regulated
2) Only really affects stuff of high wattage or in "wet" areas
3) There is NO enforcement of these new rules (yet)
Basically its there to enforce a minimum standard of wiring for homes, specifically when its the dangerous stuff. To be honest it wont really affect anyone until they come to move. The new regulations will ensure that the new house you are moving too will be of a relatively sound standard of wiring - oh, and you need to ensure that your house is of good standard.
So, do we really need to get an electrician to fit a new socket? NO
Dont get carried away please....
I intend to charge any officials entering my house a fee of £300. There will be a sign on the door, and the charge will be payable prior to entry. As I now own my house, ie mortgage is paid so it's MINE, anyone asking to be admitted will be liable to the charge - should keep the in-laws away!
Wonder how my charge will stand legally? Any ideas?
Wonder how my charge will stand legally? Any ideas?
most dodgey electrics I've seen are damaged fittings, fittings that aren't secure, and screws that have come loose due to heat/cooling effect that you get when using larger appliances.
I've removed sockets in my own house to find screws that have come loose before now.
Using those packing 'worm' things as insulation is another one. They eat into PVC cabling.
Damaging lighting cables in lofts spaces with boxes etc is another, plus of course, hammering nails into walls.
None of which is covered by this legislation.
I've removed sockets in my own house to find screws that have come loose before now.
Using those packing 'worm' things as insulation is another one. They eat into PVC cabling.
Damaging lighting cables in lofts spaces with boxes etc is another, plus of course, hammering nails into walls.
None of which is covered by this legislation.
As I said on another thread recently; those involved in the safety/regulation industry realise that they are no longer needed, but they continue to justify their continued existence by forcing more regulations upon us (for no good reason).
This unnecessary burden is making this country a frustrating and uncompetitive place to live and work.
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This unnecessary burden is making this country a frustrating and uncompetitive place to live and work.
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Now, don't consider this new legislation in isolation. It is claimed to be about increased safety.
So, how long before it will be illegal to do any major work on your own car unless you hold a technicians certificate of competence?
You think I jest, well, maybe I do, but think how many DIY-ers bodge up simple jobs like changing a brake master cylinder and bleeding out the system, resulting in spongy and unsafe brakes which are not checked until MoT time, which could be months away.
Will the 'safety-lobby' go for this next? It's a logical step which would really screw-up the classic/sports car movement. Fortunately there would be a strong lobby against it, but, neverless, let's just be aware. It could be a Euro regulation eventually.
So, how long before it will be illegal to do any major work on your own car unless you hold a technicians certificate of competence?
You think I jest, well, maybe I do, but think how many DIY-ers bodge up simple jobs like changing a brake master cylinder and bleeding out the system, resulting in spongy and unsafe brakes which are not checked until MoT time, which could be months away.
Will the 'safety-lobby' go for this next? It's a logical step which would really screw-up the classic/sports car movement. Fortunately there would be a strong lobby against it, but, neverless, let's just be aware. It could be a Euro regulation eventually.
Peter Ward said:
OK, but what about other things done by amateurs that could be dangerous? Why just pick on electrical work? What about DIY car repairs, for example? I'd like to see the figures for deaths caused by amateur electrical work to justify the introduction of yet another new criminal offence.
I once knew a builder who didn't realise that you were meant to put the switch on the live wire. The light went on and off so why worry? It's not just the DIYers who can get it wrong.
1. car are subject to mot, gas is covered by CORGI
2. Death figures are small but fire is the big problem.
3. Quoting the builder (who is a DIY'er) only strengthens the case for this legislation.
cooperman said:
Now, don't consider this new legislation in isolation. It is claimed to be about increased safety.
So, how long before it will be illegal to do any major work on your own car unless you hold a technicians certificate of competence?
You think I jest, well, maybe I do, but think how many DIY-ers bodge up simple jobs like changing a brake master cylinder and bleeding out the system, resulting in spongy and unsafe brakes which are not checked until MoT time, which could be months away.
Will the 'safety-lobby' go for this next? It's a logical step which would really screw-up the classic/sports car movement. Fortunately there would be a strong lobby against it, but, neverless, let's just be aware. It could be a Euro regulation eventually.
It's all crap.
There's a trade off between safety and practicality. For example, the Police being 5 miles back from the gun incident in Thames Valley ; I'd bet a fortune that is Health and Safety gone berserk. What next ? Firemen refusing to deal with fires because fire is dangerous ? Probably !
Anything is "dangerous" if you look hard enough. I play cricket. I've hit people with the ball. I've been hit by the ball. It hurts. There's a microscopic chance of fatal injury (tho' now I bowl leg spin so it's much less dangerous). Ban cricket I say !
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