101 ways to beat a nip.
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Number 77.
Fill in all the required fields and post off to your local friendly ticket office.
Whats that you say? Ive signed my own confession? Maybe so, maybe not.
Where does it say in law that the nip has to be legible?
Encrypt all your info before filling in the required fields. You have fulfilled your requirements, its just that they cant read it. Too bad, tuff luck.
Fill in all the required fields and post off to your local friendly ticket office.
Whats that you say? Ive signed my own confession? Maybe so, maybe not.
Where does it say in law that the nip has to be legible?
Encrypt all your info before filling in the required fields. You have fulfilled your requirements, its just that they cant read it. Too bad, tuff luck. DeltaFox said:
Number 77.
Fill in all the required fields and post off to your local friendly ticket office.
Whats that you say? Ive signed my own confession? Maybe so, maybe not.
Where does it say in law that the nip has to be legible?
I'm assuming this is a wind-up. The Chief Constable can make reasonable requirements as to how you should respond.
If you do this, you will be shafted. Hypothetically of course, as you ain't being serious - right?
No. 36
Fill in the form *slightly* incorrectly; ie fill in section B & C, crossing out the details filled in section B. Post on last day of 28days.
You will be sent another one to fill in "correctly". Repeat until 6months after original form sent. Then forget about it. You will hear nothing more, as papers must be served to court within 6 months. I know someone who did just this.
Fill in the form *slightly* incorrectly; ie fill in section B & C, crossing out the details filled in section B. Post on last day of 28days.
You will be sent another one to fill in "correctly". Repeat until 6months after original form sent. Then forget about it. You will hear nothing more, as papers must be served to court within 6 months. I know someone who did just this.
DeMolay said:
Have somebody else complete it for you, preferably your wife
boosted
Can you elaborate?
What will this achieve?
Well, when you receive the NIP envelope you just ask your wife to deal with it and don't get involved. Don't even read the document
She completes it and names you as the driver but signs it on your behalf pp. So, you have complied in providing the information as to who was driving the car but you haven't signed a confessional statement yourself which could be used to prosecute you for a speeding offence. If they take you to court for 'failing to furnish' you turn up and explain that you delegated the task to your wife so did indeed comply with providing driver details. You say that you weren't aware you had to sign in person because you never read the document etc. Your wife can't be forced to give evidence against you so to all intents it looks like you complied. In a similar case a footballer was aquitted when it was disclosed that his manager had signed the form on his behalf. This certainly seems to be a grey area where precident hasn't been established afaik. Boosted
Roadcop said:
101 ways to beat a NIP No.27
Get an elderly relative to take the points.
Hopefully not too old that they end up dying in jail for pervert the course of justice...
assuming someone found out .. as Im sure you are aware this happens a lot and as the scammers only want the money and some poor sap to hang the points on regardless of guilt its pretty unlikely to be discovered.
Oh you're right...
it just reminds me of the driver who got his relations and friends to take a large number of points for him over several years...
eventually, he killed a young girl (who was a passenger in his car) and it was the first time the bloke had come to police attention...
it just reminds me of the driver who got his relations and friends to take a large number of points for him over several years...
eventually, he killed a young girl (who was a passenger in his car) and it was the first time the bloke had come to police attention...
Or you could write to cps and ask if the officer with the gun is a civvy or pc. Be subtle and say you want to raise a summons to get him at court. That's your right. If it's a civvy gun operator there is case law which says they can't judge speed. Only police officers can do that As far as I know the gun mustn't be used unless the operator has assesed you are speeding first. Then he can use the gun to corroborate his belief. In otherwords civvies can't do it and as for the gits that just sit there in the back of the fans looking through the viewfinder I'd like to video one
Boosted.
As far as I know the gun mustn't be used unless the operator has assesed you are speeding first. Then he can use the gun to corroborate his belief. In otherwords civvies can't do it and as for the gits that just sit there in the back of the fans looking through the viewfinder I'd like to video one Boosted.
Boosted LS1 said:
Boosted LS1 said:
Have somebody else complete it for you, preferably your wife
boosted
Can you elaborate?
What will this achieve?
Well, when you receive the NIP envelope you just ask your wife to deal with it and don't get involved. Don't even read the document
Boosted
Incorrect.
If you send it back filled out by your wife and signed by her then all that will happen is that you will get a NIP in your own name. Your wife is certainly not permitted to sign the box that is designated for the driver's signature. Doing so may have consequences greater than the punishment for speeding.
Boosted LS1 said:
Or you could write to cps and ask if the officer with the gun is a civvy or pc. Be subtle and say you want to raise a summons to get him at court. That's your right. If it's a civvy gun operator there is case law which says they can't judge speed. Only police officers can do that
Boosted.
And this is nonsense I'm afraid. Where is the case law?
Boosted LS1 said:
Or you could write to cps and ask if the officer with the gun is a civvy or pc. Be subtle and say you want to raise a summons to get him at court. That's your right. If it's a civvy gun operator there is case law which says they can't judge speed. Only police officers can do that
Boosted.
And this is nonsense I'm afraid. Where is the case law?
DeMolay said:
Boosted LS1 said:
Or you could write to cps and ask if the officer with the gun is a civvy or pc. Be subtle and say you want to raise a summons to get him at court. That's your right. If it's a civvy gun operator there is case law which says they can't judge speed. Only police officers can do that
Boosted.
And this is nonsense I'm afraid. Where is the case law?
DM, It seems to be talked about quite a lot on the pepipoo site. They refer to dodgy primary evidence as being unpresentable in court. There are examples of case law over there if you follow links. Scamera operators have to judge the speed before they use the gun. Civvies can't judge speed. It looks like a good argument to me. Maybe cps would drop it if they knew you had that as a line of defence.
As for the wife completing the NIP, it's your NIP she completes, the one which was sent to you. Not one which was sent to her asking for your identity. This is how one of the footballers was aquitted. It was completed by his manager and not him. Again, its been discussed on pepiboo. Once you're at court it's a bit late for them to say you didn't provide the information to the chief constables liking
because you don't mention your wife until the last minute. In fact she could just scribble a signature and not pp your signature. Then you just stand up at a speeding trial and say you didn't make that confession so denying a speeding charge. Lastly, you can string them out for a while asking them for information where the camera was, ask for a map location, check your petrol reciepts and talk to all your friends and just conclude that despite all the checking you just can't say who was driving the car. You are only required to make reasonable enquiries to provide the information. So you only have to make the enquiries.
Boosted.
>> Edited by Boosted LS1 on Thursday 6th January 09:36
Boosted LS1 said:
Or you could write to cps and ask if the officer with the gun is a civvy or pc. Be subtle and say you want to raise a summons to get him at court. That's your right. If it's a civvy gun operator there is case law which says they can't judge speed. Only police officers can do that
If authorised to do so by the Chief Constable civilians can used speed detection devices.
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