Red 'X's over lanes
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Gafferjim

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1,337 posts

296 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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Going through a red 'X' carries the same penalty as going through a red traffic light. The police are now being encouraged to prosecute offenders they come across, due to more & more 'Smart Motorways' where people / obstructions have more possibility of being in a running lane after incidents.

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

264 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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This is good news, only the other day the Mrs commented on some dolt on the hard shoulder of the M42 when it was closed to 'normal' traffic. How we haven't heard of more 70mph+ rear endings I don't know.

Sadly though I suspect it will go the same way as the MLM thing did a few years ago. Lots of excitement for a few weeks then all the MLM signs went back to "don't drive tired" and "16 miles/16 minutes to Junction 875" The latter being to worst as some seem to take that as a challenge either to beat it or to make it happen!

Geekman

2,908 posts

177 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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Have seen loads of people get caught for this - the police seem to have been taking it seriously for at least the last couple of years.

Nigel_O

3,895 posts

250 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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I drive the M42 twice a day, four days a week. The availability of the hard shoulder as a live lane seems to be a little random, but whenever its down to the normal three lanes, I ALWAYS see drivers trundling up the hard shoulder, because that's what they did yesterday and the day before, and the day before that.....

occasionally, drivers will blindly wander into it without checking, and then have to force their way back into lane 1. Occasionally, drivers will hammer down the left lane of the slip road, smug that they're making up ground on all the people dutifully joining the main carriageway, only later to realise that all the dutiful drivers had looked far enough ahead to see the bloody great red 'X' on the next gantry...

As mentioned above, I'm staggered that there haven't been any spectacular rear-end accidents yet - perhaps the proliferation of 'safe refuge' areas has helped

perversely, when the hard shoulder IS in operation as a live lane, its usually the fastest moving lane out of the four, as all the sheep stay in the lane they've been in for the last twenty miles....

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

250 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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Nigel_O said:
perversely, when the hard shoulder IS in operation as a live lane, its usually the fastest moving lane out of the four, as all the sheep stay in the lane they've been in for the last twenty miles....
Not surprising really - I drive the M1 twice a week and in heavy traffic - the left lane is always the one moving the fastest.

It's quite amusing watching cars darting between lanes two and three, brake lights flashing as they go in a vain attempt at gaining just one more car length over their peers.

Invariably you go sailing past them as lane one flows freely. Five or ten minutes later once the heavy traffic has subsided - you see the same cars come rocketing past.

KungFuPanda

4,645 posts

201 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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There's currently a radio campaign in the North West explaining to people exactly what a red x in a lane means. Must be a lot of stupid or ignorant people out there.

Starfighter

5,351 posts

209 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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Ditto for the south west.

How long before the cameras get linked in?

RacingPete

9,205 posts

235 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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Rude-boy said:
This is good news, only the other day the Mrs commented on some dolt on the hard shoulder of the M42 when it was closed to 'normal' traffic. How we haven't heard of more 70mph+ rear endings I don't know.

Sadly though I suspect it will go the same way as the MLM thing did a few years ago. Lots of excitement for a few weeks then all the MLM signs went back to "don't drive tired" and "16 miles/16 minutes to Junction 875" The latter being to worst as some seem to take that as a challenge either to beat it or to make it happen!
One of the guys at work was on a speed awareness course and asked about the MLM rule change. The police said they allow a year for awareness to creep into society and then they start prosecuting more. So apparently this will be stepped up this year.

moorx

4,724 posts

145 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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KungFuPanda said:
There's currently a radio campaign in the North West explaining to people exactly what a red x in a lane means. Must be a lot of stupid or ignorant people out there.
Heard in Wales too - I thought exactly the same.

Mound Dawg

1,931 posts

205 months

Wednesday 4th February 2015
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moorx said:
KungFuPanda said:
There's currently a radio campaign in the North West explaining to people exactly what a red x in a lane means. Must be a lot of stupid or ignorant people out there.
Heard in Wales too - I thought exactly the same.
They're listening to Radio 2.

Dog Star

17,640 posts

199 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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RacingPete said:
One of the guys at work was on a speed awareness course and asked about the MLM rule change. The police said they allow a year for awareness to creep into society and then they start prosecuting more. So apparently this will be stepped up this year.
In a way MLMs can be useful; I do 60 miles a day on the M62 and very rarely venture out of L1 - if I do I'm back in asap. It's much less stress and I sail past everything on the right. MLMs are useful as they provide a kind of rolling barrier between myself and all the photocopier salesmen glued to each others arses playing the brake test game in L3. I'd just leave them there.

covboy

2,593 posts

205 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Again the HA don’t help themselves

There was obviously a problem on the M6 this morning J6- J5 with traffic backing from J7

Through J6 the limits were 40mph then opening up to 60 on the “managed” section (with hard shoulder 4 lane running)

However a couple of miles up the road we were confronted with O/head gantries showing 20 mph on the Hard shoulder lane and 50 mph on the other 3 !

The next gantry along however had a red cross on the H/S lane i.e no advanced warning of the lane closure. – Immediately after was the safety refuge where the vehicles involved in the “incident” along with a HA Motor had gathered.

I had a bit of sympathy for the drivers H/S in this instance as it looked very difficult to get into Lane 1 before the Red cross due to the traffic slowing ahead to rubberneck what was going on.


Hooli

32,278 posts

231 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Dog Star said:
RacingPete said:
One of the guys at work was on a speed awareness course and asked about the MLM rule change. The police said they allow a year for awareness to creep into society and then they start prosecuting more. So apparently this will be stepped up this year.
In a way MLMs can be useful; I do 60 miles a day on the M62 and very rarely venture out of L1 - if I do I'm back in asap. It's much less stress and I sail past everything on the right. MLMs are useful as they provide a kind of rolling barrier between myself and all the photocopier salesmen glued to each others arses playing the brake test game in L3. I'd just leave them there.
I'd nick them all for careless driving (not remembering to drive on the left is careless in my book) and clear the roads for those of us capable of using them.

Martin4x4

6,506 posts

163 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Gafferjim said:


Going through a red 'X' carries the same penalty as going through a red traffic light. The police are now being encouraged to prosecute offenders they come across, due to more & more 'Smart Motorways' where people / obstructions have more possibility of being in a running lane after incidents.
What is the point of this message?

As far as I can see it stating the bleeding obvious, well the highway code all drivers should already be familiar with.

ging84

9,548 posts

177 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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i'm still not entirely clear on the rules of red x's these days

there is a section of a27, the southwick tunnel, which for as long as i have been driving has a lane control in force, but it's very clear it just applied to the tunnel.
Further up the A27, a few miles before it becomes the M27, it has all been apparently made up to motorway standard, and can display these red x's but not signs about lane control, and it's not a motorway.

Cliftonite

8,751 posts

169 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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Martin4x4 said:
What is the point of this message?

As far as I can see it stating the bleeding obvious, well the highway code all drivers should already be familiar with.
Never over-estimate the ability of the modern 'driver'


catfood12

1,571 posts

173 months

Thursday 5th February 2015
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I really, really didn't know, and was busted;

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

anonymous-user

85 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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Martin4x4 said:
As far as I can see it stating the bleeding obvious, well the highway code all drivers should already be familiar with.
roflroflroflroflrofl

Only February and qoute of the year contender ????

IanCress

4,409 posts

197 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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Rude-boy said:
This is good news, only the other day the Mrs commented on some dolt on the hard shoulder of the M42 when it was closed to 'normal' traffic. How we haven't heard of more 70mph+ rear endings I don't know.
Agree. I think hard shoulder running will at some point be responsible for a big pile up when someone misses or doesn't understand the meaning of the red X. I feel it's almost inevitable.

emmaT2014

1,860 posts

147 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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Martin4x4 said:
What is the point of this message?

As far as I can see it stating the bleeding obvious, well the highway code all drivers should already be familiar with.
Well it would seem that some drivers apply a test to signs to decide whether it applies to them and whether it should be complied with.

The red-X means do not proceed in this lane beyond this point. Yes it would be obvious to you but some drivers test the application of the sign, if they see no reason to not use the lane and traffic is perhaps slower in the open lanes they defy the sign. Similarly the sign to the right of the red X means do not drive at speeds that are more than 60mph, similar tests are applied and those tests have been explained thousands of times in this and other forums.

It is going to prove interesting when this discussion develops to see how the pistonheads massif are going to support compliance with the red-X but not the 60 with the red circle next to the red-X. This conflict is already outlined in the discussion so far...back-to-you.

Edited by emmaT2014 on Friday 6th February 09:26