how do you BiB's stay calm?
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Watched a TV prog last night about policing drunks at various resorts.
How on earth do you keep your temper when you get some gobby youth, who along with his mates have kicked the daylights out of someone on the ground, then complain that you're hurting his wrist and fire off a load of abuse at you while grinning and smirking?
I'd like to think I'm quite a mild mannered type, but I would have snapped long before then. BUT the Bib's didn't. (at least not on camera!)
I've seen other video footage of such things that would never be broadcast due to the levels of violence etc, and STILL the Bib's don't snap.
I'm impressed!
How on earth do you keep your temper when you get some gobby youth, who along with his mates have kicked the daylights out of someone on the ground, then complain that you're hurting his wrist and fire off a load of abuse at you while grinning and smirking?
I'd like to think I'm quite a mild mannered type, but I would have snapped long before then. BUT the Bib's didn't. (at least not on camera!)
I've seen other video footage of such things that would never be broadcast due to the levels of violence etc, and STILL the Bib's don't snap.
I'm impressed!
Its all too easy to get involved in a slanging match but there are other ways of coming out on top.
I think that with more experience you get wiser and learn to control any temper that you might have.
If a person is nice them im ever so kind, but if they are ar*eholes then i love to persecute.
I think that with more experience you get wiser and learn to control any temper that you might have.
If a person is nice them im ever so kind, but if they are ar*eholes then i love to persecute.
it was a really good program - the bib who talked to the chapa who dived into the hedge was hysterical!
totally with Bryan on this though - you must want to hurt some of these people sooooo badly. That guy who was saying to the copper 'you're one ugly f**king c**t' etc. I cannot believe he didn't just take his head off. astonishing
totally with Bryan on this though - you must want to hurt some of these people sooooo badly. That guy who was saying to the copper 'you're one ugly f**king c**t' etc. I cannot believe he didn't just take his head off. astonishing
nightmare said:
it was a really good program - the bib who talked to the chapa who dived into the hedge was hysterical!
totally with Bryan on this though - you must want to hurt some of these people sooooo badly. That guy who was saying to the copper 'you're one ugly f**king c**t' etc. I cannot believe he didn't just take his head off. astonishing
You just remind yourself the question "who is the c**nt?"
Answer = The one wearing the very uncomfortable handcuffs who won't be going home for the rest of the night!
!Actually I'd like to pose another question.
What do you do if you ARE actually just a person just walking past, aren't involved in the situation and BiB believe that you may be?
Obviously not 'f**k off, I didn't do anything'
Cooperation seems to be the order of the day, and staying calm perhaps?
What do you do if you ARE actually just a person just walking past, aren't involved in the situation and BiB believe that you may be?
Obviously not 'f**k off, I didn't do anything'
Cooperation seems to be the order of the day, and staying calm perhaps?
bryan35 said:
Actually I'd like to pose another question.
What do you do if you ARE actually just a person just walking past, aren't involved in the situation and BiB believe that you may be?
Obviously not 'f**k off, I didn't do anything'
Cooperation seems to be the order of the day, and staying calm perhaps?
If you were just innocently walking past, then you are very unlikely to be embroiled in the incident unless you are a material witness and are willing to help in that capacity.
The innocent ones who get involved in Police action are unable to help themselves and do exactly that! 'Get involved' in one way or another other than walk past.
If you do decide to stick your 'ten penneth' in either before the Polie arrive or worse, when they have arrived, then you could easily become inconvenienced by Bib. If this is what happens, the best thing to do is co-operate without resorting to abuse or 'Tom foolery'.
I needed to talk to someone last Saturday night after a Fracas outside a local theme bar with door staff. I was given a wrap of class 'A' confiscated by the door staff which was what the dispute was about. There were 4 men in their mid 30's who wanted it back.
When I arrived they started to walk away. The door staff told me who the wrap was taken from and I walked after them, asking them to stop. They all scarpered and I gave chase.
Having not consumed copious amounts of intoxicants of any kind that evening, after about 200 meters I was catching said suspect and shouted at him. He looked behind to see how close I was and whilst still travelling at Linford Christie velocity, tripped over a kerb in front of another night club queue and consequently did some urban surfing down the pavement on his chin with his heels touching the centre of his back!
On further enquiries with the door staff and CCTV later on whilst suspect was receiving treatment for the skin loss on chin palms and knees, it transpired that he was the innocent one of the group.
In custody I said to him "why did you run?"
Answer = "Wouldn't you run if someone looking like Robocop approached you?"
reply "I only wanted to talk to you, if you had stood still, you probably wouldn't be here now!"
(The others were picked up later by use of CCTV and one was charged with supplying 'class A'!)
>> Edited by gone on Tuesday 11th January 12:55
Tonyrec said:
If a person is nice them im ever so kind, but if they are ar*eholes then i love to persecute.
That's the problem, very unprofessional. Why change the outcome of a situation based on how polite the person is ? Doesn't make sense and is probably a cause of a lot of resentment towards the police.
Why can't you simply do your job ? If I reacted angrily/persecuted or just plain reacted to every person I met who was an arsehole, I'd have no time to do my job.
What's wrong with processing them if they've broken the law, and leaving them alone if they haven't. Boy, sounds like you're creating work for yourself as well as agrivating situations that would otherwise have melted away.
The programme showed what we all know goes on night after night. I have to say that I thought the sight of the abandoned white stilettos just summed things up.
What would depress me if I let it is that the "next generation," lets say kids 10 yrs and up, have the same attitude as displayed perfectly by the silly mare nicked for Section 5 because she performed when they wouldn't let her in the off licence for 2 minutes.
As in unacceptable behaviour pointed out and quiet word, the response to which is an escalation of attitude, to which one or more clear warnings are issued. Further escalation, so when the threatened sanction is imposed this is down to everybody elses fault bar theirs, and you are the bar steward for imposing the sanction.
What would depress me if I let it is that the "next generation," lets say kids 10 yrs and up, have the same attitude as displayed perfectly by the silly mare nicked for Section 5 because she performed when they wouldn't let her in the off licence for 2 minutes.
As in unacceptable behaviour pointed out and quiet word, the response to which is an escalation of attitude, to which one or more clear warnings are issued. Further escalation, so when the threatened sanction is imposed this is down to everybody elses fault bar theirs, and you are the bar steward for imposing the sanction.
busa_rush said:
If a person is nice them im ever so kind, but if they are ar*eholes then i love to persecute.
That's the problem, very unprofessional. Why change the outcome of a situation based on how polite the person is ? Doesn't make sense and is probably a cause of a lot of resentment towards the police.
Tonyrec can prosecute someone kindly or he can 'love to prosecute them'. That is different from prosecuting them just because of an emotion which is what you are suggesting in this post!
busa_rush said:
Why can't you simply do your job ? If I reacted angrily/persecuted or just plain reacted to every person I met who was an arsehole, I'd have no time to do my job.
Do those people who show themselves to be an arsehole in your employment capacity spit at you, punch you, bite you, attack you with weapons, allegations of untrue criminal conduct or otherwise directly abuse you? I rest our case!
Prosecution is decided by the CPS who are not at the scene and they deal only with the evidence supplied to them for their decision. Taking arseholes off the street is the job of the Police which is what we love!
busa_rush said:
What's wrong with processing them if they've broken the law, and leaving them alone if they haven't.
I think you will find that that is broadly what happens! Even arseholes are cut some slack sometimes
busa_rush said:
Boy, sounds like you're creating work for yourself as well as agrivating situations that would otherwise have melted away.
We do not create wortk for ourselves, the general public are the ones who readily help in that process!
Agrivating is spelt 'aggravating' for your information
nightmare said:
totally with Bryan on this though - you must want to hurt some of these people sooooo badly. That guy who was saying to the copper 'you're one ugly f**king c**t' etc. I cannot believe he didn't just take his head off. astonishing
To be fair, I'm not a policeman and don't have to deal with this every day of my life, but I cannot believe there are people out there who would want to "take someones head off" just because they are calling them names
mungo said:
nightmare said:
it was a really good program - the bib who talked to the chapa who dived into the hedge was hysterical!
totally with Bryan on this though - you must want to hurt some of these people sooooo badly. That guy who was saying to the copper 'you're one ugly f**king c**t' etc. I cannot believe he didn't just take his head off. astonishing
You just remind yourself the question "who is the c**nt?"
Answer = The one wearing the very uncomfortable handcuffs who won't be going home for the rest of the night!
Exactly... If I work on a Fri or Sat night I do "Violent Crime Strategy" which is foot patrol outside bars and clubs... the amount of times I've had someone restrained on the floor trying to turn their head around and spit at me whilst screaming what they think they are going to do to me when I move them from the floor to the van... the insults mean nothing, after all - Who's having to be arrested and restrained by the police - Not me. Insults from people that low in society mean nothing
I like your style!
trooperiziz said:
To be fair, I'm not a policeman and don't have to deal with this every day of my life, but I cannot believe there are people out there who would want to "take someones head off" just because they are calling them names
Did you see the program? cos whilst I'd agree that someone shouting a comment aint an excuse for seriously bodly rearrangement, this guy was REALLY trying to get badly hurt....he seriously p*ssed me off just watching him.
Aside from the fairly restrained behaviour of the Bib
I've not been East of Bethnal Green.
Do people actually drive down to sea front in Essex, open their boot and dance to some low grade commercial music?
Tell me it aint so, because if I hadnt witnessed it on this show last night I wouldnt have believed it happened...
I've not been East of Bethnal Green.
Do people actually drive down to sea front in Essex, open their boot and dance to some low grade commercial music?
Tell me it aint so, because if I hadnt witnessed it on this show last night I wouldnt have believed it happened...
When I was younger my mates and I used to help out in drug bust training for Normal & Special PC's.
Our remit was to be abusive - verbally & physically, and try to escape the staged bust.
From some of the treatment we recieved I think much of the frustration was vented on us
It wasn't evey day you could say that you had a fight with a couple of coppers and get brought a couple of pints by them afterwards.
I did enjoy once turning up to school (6th form) with a black eye and when asked if it was a rugby injury, I could say "nah, I got in a fight with the police".
Our remit was to be abusive - verbally & physically, and try to escape the staged bust.
From some of the treatment we recieved I think much of the frustration was vented on us
It wasn't evey day you could say that you had a fight with a couple of coppers and get brought a couple of pints by them afterwards. I did enjoy once turning up to school (6th form) with a black eye and when asked if it was a rugby injury, I could say "nah, I got in a fight with the police".
The most annoying thing for me was the punishments that were handed out. A £30 fine here, a slap on the wrist there.
If the legal system was somewhat more draconian with the level of punishment then perhaps these type of incidents would be reduced.
If I was a BiB having to put up with some of the crap those guys did I would be well upset by the namby pamby punishments.
If the legal system was somewhat more draconian with the level of punishment then perhaps these type of incidents would be reduced.
If I was a BiB having to put up with some of the crap those guys did I would be well upset by the namby pamby punishments.
busa_rush said:
What's wrong with processing them if they've broken the law, and leaving them alone if they haven't.
Thanks for your vote of confidence!
If a person hasnt done something wrong then ive got no reason to persecute them at all....stands to reason and is common sense.
Being a Policeman and dealing with the public is seldom straightforward.....however, with experience you know who to report for all Offences and who to give a warning too.
Thats not being unprofessional, its being a true professional.
Mustnt be doing too bad considering how many people i deal with on a daily basis and i can count on one hand how many times ive received a complaint.
I watched this, and had to laugh when the Southend BiB were complaining about 2,500 people coming out of ALL their nightclubs...
In the biggest town on our Division, we have a THIRD of the entire County's licensed premises, and nightclub capacity is 30,000plus - the biggest single venue is 4,500 capacity.
I have to say that the scenes displayed were pretty run of the mill - I suspect it's like that every weekend, all over the country for the BiB.
If you got wound up by people being abusive to you, you'd not be much good as a BiB. Most of the time it's drunken stupidity, and aimed at the uniform, not you as a person. And as others have rightly pointed out, who IS the w4nk3r? Me, or the person spending an uncomfortable night in the cells?
It all comes with experience - the more service, the more tolerant you become. But there comes a point when you have to say "enough's enough". If they've had fair warning, and decide to carry on, they get lifted.
And I've been able to vent some frustration having just had my refresher two days Officer Safety Training... whacking pads with a baton, and ragging colleagues around on the mats, can be very therapeutic!
In the biggest town on our Division, we have a THIRD of the entire County's licensed premises, and nightclub capacity is 30,000plus - the biggest single venue is 4,500 capacity.
I have to say that the scenes displayed were pretty run of the mill - I suspect it's like that every weekend, all over the country for the BiB.
If you got wound up by people being abusive to you, you'd not be much good as a BiB. Most of the time it's drunken stupidity, and aimed at the uniform, not you as a person. And as others have rightly pointed out, who IS the w4nk3r? Me, or the person spending an uncomfortable night in the cells?
It all comes with experience - the more service, the more tolerant you become. But there comes a point when you have to say "enough's enough". If they've had fair warning, and decide to carry on, they get lifted.
And I've been able to vent some frustration having just had my refresher two days Officer Safety Training... whacking pads with a baton, and ragging colleagues around on the mats, can be very therapeutic!
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