Hyperthetical Question - SPECS vs Traffic Car
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Say you're travelling through road works on a motorway. Average speed is 50mph and covered by SPECS cameras.
You're travelling over the limit, say 60, and pass a traffic car. (You'd be very silly I know, but hypothetical).
Traffic car obliged to stop you for the offence.
Then a week later you receive an NIP for the offence.
What would happen in this situation? Write back saying you'd already been dealt with at the time?
You're travelling over the limit, say 60, and pass a traffic car. (You'd be very silly I know, but hypothetical).
Traffic car obliged to stop you for the offence.
Then a week later you receive an NIP for the offence.
What would happen in this situation? Write back saying you'd already been dealt with at the time?
Edited by savvy on Tuesday 10th February 21:06
savvy said:
Say you're travelling through road works on a motorway. Average speed is 50mph and covered by SPECS cameras.
You're travelling over the limit, say 60, and pass a traffic car. (You'd be very silly I know, but hyperthetical).
Traffic car obliged to stop you for the offence.
Then a week later you receive an NIP for the offence.
What would happen in this situation? Write back saying you'd already been dealt with at the time?
The traffic car is not obliged to stop & deal with you.You're travelling over the limit, say 60, and pass a traffic car. (You'd be very silly I know, but hyperthetical).
Traffic car obliged to stop you for the offence.
Then a week later you receive an NIP for the offence.
What would happen in this situation? Write back saying you'd already been dealt with at the time?
from what you say you haven't been dealt with at the time.
AIUI, you cannot be prosecuted twice for the same offence. So if the cameras got you the traffic car can't, or vice versa.
One might assume that if a traffic car followed a vehicle which was between the time control cameras and it noted that it was doing, say, 70 in a 50 limit, they might stop the vehicle and take driver details, then check with the camera lot to see what the average speed had been. If the average was under the prosecution threshold, then the traffic car caution would be the one the charge would be based on. Seems like a lot of work for little return.
One might assume that if a traffic car followed a vehicle which was between the time control cameras and it noted that it was doing, say, 70 in a 50 limit, they might stop the vehicle and take driver details, then check with the camera lot to see what the average speed had been. If the average was under the prosecution threshold, then the traffic car caution would be the one the charge would be based on. Seems like a lot of work for little return.
If they hypothetically stop you inside the average speed zone then you won't exceed the speed limit on the SPECS cameras.
If you managed to still exceed the speed limit in the SPECS zone when you had been stopped in it you need 2 tickets.
The answer to your question is when informed the police will proceed with one ticket only.
If you managed to still exceed the speed limit in the SPECS zone when you had been stopped in it you need 2 tickets.
The answer to your question is when informed the police will proceed with one ticket only.
emmaT2014 said:
If they hypothetically stop you inside the average speed zone then you won't exceed the speed limit on the SPECS cameras.
If you managed to still exceed the speed limit in the SPECS zone when you had been stopped in it you need 2 tickets.
The answer to your question is when informed the police will proceed with one ticket only.
It'd be pretty impressive to exceed the average speed limit ina. SPECS zone if you were stopped within it. If you managed to still exceed the speed limit in the SPECS zone when you had been stopped in it you need 2 tickets.
The answer to your question is when informed the police will proceed with one ticket only.
LoonR1 said:
emmaT2014 said:
If they hypothetically stop you inside the average speed zone then you won't exceed the speed limit on the SPECS cameras.
If you managed to still exceed the speed limit in the SPECS zone when you had been stopped in it you need 2 tickets.
The answer to your question is when informed the police will proceed with one ticket only.
It'd be pretty impressive to exceed the average speed limit ina. SPECS zone if you were stopped within it. If you managed to still exceed the speed limit in the SPECS zone when you had been stopped in it you need 2 tickets.
The answer to your question is when informed the police will proceed with one ticket only.
Pet Troll said:
LoonR1 said:
emmaT2014 said:
If they hypothetically stop you inside the average speed zone then you won't exceed the speed limit on the SPECS cameras.
If you managed to still exceed the speed limit in the SPECS zone when you had been stopped in it you need 2 tickets.
The answer to your question is when informed the police will proceed with one ticket only.
It'd be pretty impressive to exceed the average speed limit ina. SPECS zone if you were stopped within it. If you managed to still exceed the speed limit in the SPECS zone when you had been stopped in it you need 2 tickets.
The answer to your question is when informed the police will proceed with one ticket only.
Slightly O/T but a question for any Motorway BiB’s on here – Would you even consider stopping someone in a SPECS controlled area ?(presumably roadworks) considering the possible problems it would cause with blockages etc. Also bearing in mind the increase in Managed sections of Motorway we are getting now (the M6 south stretch from Stafford down to Coleshill will probably be about 20 miles (?) when finished. If they are running all 4 lanes all the way down this section, again would you consider trying to stop someone – unless it was a critical non motoring requirement?
Why would Plod bother to stop someone who is in a SPECs zone when the cameras are doing (that aspect of) their job for them?
Unless someone is flying down there and needs to be stopped for the safety of other road users, or for the purposes of gathering evidence for a more serious charge, the cameras will deal with the speed aspect for them.
Unless someone is flying down there and needs to be stopped for the safety of other road users, or for the purposes of gathering evidence for a more serious charge, the cameras will deal with the speed aspect for them.
Going slightly further, imagine three sets of SPECS cameras at 5 mile intervals, A, B and C 'policing' a 50MPH limit.
Between A and B you average 60MPH.
Between B and C you are proceeding at 60MPH and are pulled over by the police (before C) and are given a ticket for exceeding the posted limit. This ensures your average speed between B and C is way below 50.
In the post, you receive a speeding ticket for the above average speed between A and B.
Should both tickets stand as you sped between A and B (policed by the SPECS cameras) and you also sped between B and C (policed by the police)?
Between A and B you average 60MPH.
Between B and C you are proceeding at 60MPH and are pulled over by the police (before C) and are given a ticket for exceeding the posted limit. This ensures your average speed between B and C is way below 50.
In the post, you receive a speeding ticket for the above average speed between A and B.
Should both tickets stand as you sped between A and B (policed by the SPECS cameras) and you also sped between B and C (policed by the police)?
covboy said:
Slightly O/T but a question for any Motorway BiB’s on here – Would you even consider stopping someone in a SPECS controlled area ?(presumably roadworks) considering the possible problems it would cause with blockages etc. Also bearing in mind the increase in Managed sections of Motorway we are getting now (the M6 south stretch from Stafford down to Coleshill will probably be about 20 miles (?) when finished. If they are running all 4 lanes all the way down this section, again would you consider trying to stop someone – unless it was a critical non motoring requirement?
The managed motorways have refuges every 500m (irc) so your hypothetical In most motorway road works there is no such refuge so any stop would have to be risk assessed against the high likelyhood of a rear end shunt at the back of the queue caused by the blind wazzocks not paying attention. IME nearly all such stops are carried out once you're back to normal carrigeway and a place of safety can be reached.
The arguement here constitues what makes speeding "one" offence or multiple?
If the principle was each camera meant seperate offence, then the cops could have 4 GATSO's at 20metre intervals and take a speeders license on totting up in one go.
How do they decide when to split offences?
Say if you were on a 10 mile stretch of roadworks with say 3 sets of specs cameras. You do a constant 70mph throughout. Would all 3 tickets be valid?
You could argue someone who is speeding consistantly over a long distance deserves a higher punishment in some cases, but is it really seperate offences? or is that person only guilty of one offence with a higher penalty?
YOu would think there would be some clear definitions written out in the various laws on this.
If the principle was each camera meant seperate offence, then the cops could have 4 GATSO's at 20metre intervals and take a speeders license on totting up in one go.
How do they decide when to split offences?
Say if you were on a 10 mile stretch of roadworks with say 3 sets of specs cameras. You do a constant 70mph throughout. Would all 3 tickets be valid?
You could argue someone who is speeding consistantly over a long distance deserves a higher punishment in some cases, but is it really seperate offences? or is that person only guilty of one offence with a higher penalty?
YOu would think there would be some clear definitions written out in the various laws on this.
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