Scamera & Trafpol
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catso

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16,437 posts

296 months

Friday 14th January 2005
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Interesting article in MCN regarding 2 men convicted of speeding at the same court in back-to-back cases;

Case 1. 136mph – 1 yr ban & £500 fine
Case 2. 145mph – 2 yr ban & £5000 fine

Anyway regardless of appropriate/fair sentencing or otherwise, one of the excuses given for the more lenient sentence was that case 1 was caught by a Scamera Van and case 2 by a Trafpol.

Police spokesman said “Safety Camera vans can only record speed, and therefore can’t provide evidence of dangerous driving.”

So if cameras can not detect danger – how come they call’em Safety Cameras?

Any comments?

BTW can you guess which of the above offenders was an off-duty Trafpol

BliarOut

72,863 posts

268 months

Friday 14th January 2005
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Is that quote on a transcript anywhere? Could be interesting to call the guy as an expert witness and make him repeat it in court if you get scammed

Roadcop

655 posts

261 months

Friday 14th January 2005
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catso said:
BTW can you guess which of the above offenders was an off-duty Trafpol


Either way....good job they got done, otherwise there would have been bleats on here about "ONE RULE FOR THEM AND ANOTHER FOR THE REST OF US"..

catso

Original Poster:

16,437 posts

296 months

Friday 14th January 2005
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Roadcop said:

catso said:
BTW can you guess which of the above offenders was an off-duty Trafpol



Either way....good job they got done, otherwise there would have been bleats on here about "ONE RULE FOR THEM AND ANOTHER FOR THE REST OF US"..


Actually, although that wasn't my point, it was the point raised in MCN i.e the £500+1yrban (trafpol) vs. £5000+2yr ban (non trafpol) for very similar speeds etc.

catso

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16,437 posts

296 months

Friday 14th January 2005
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BliarOut said:
Is that quote on a transcript anywhere? Could be interesting to call the guy as an expert witness and make him repeat it in court if you get scammed


Came out of MCN, you could contact them.

Dibble

13,276 posts

269 months

Friday 14th January 2005
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catso said:
Actually, although that wasn't my point, it was the point raised in MCN i.e the £500+1yrban (trafpol) vs. £5000+2yr ban (non trafpol) for very similar speeds etc.

Done for different offences though - TrafPol (who I'd suspect is now EX TrafPol) got a very hefty "doing" for speeding, while the other got a hefty for "Dangerous driving" - two separate offences.

planetdave

9,922 posts

282 months

Friday 14th January 2005
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catso said:





Actually, although that wasn't my point, it was the point raised in MCN i.e the £500+1yrban (trafpol) vs. £5000+2yr ban (non trafpol) for very similar speeds etc.



very similar speeds?

Both are high but there is a big difference between 136 and 145....try working out the stopping distances of both to find out.

Dibble

13,276 posts

269 months

Friday 14th January 2005
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I hear what you're saying, but would it have been the same article if the offenders were reversed?

Not saying either was right or wrong, but those were the offences they could be charged with. If it had been the off duty TrafPol stopped by on duty, he'd have been done for dangerous as well.

Nickccc

1,682 posts

277 months

Friday 14th January 2005
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Come on chaps, you guys are supposed to be smart.
Unfortunate speeder no. 2 was a on a motorbike
motorbike rider = baby eater
I thought we all knew that
and yes I have a bike.

dazren

22,612 posts

290 months

Friday 14th January 2005
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£5,000? How?

DAZ

Roadcop

655 posts

261 months

Friday 14th January 2005
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catso said:

Roadcop said:


catso said:
BTW can you guess which of the above offenders was an off-duty Trafpol




Either way....good job they got done, otherwise there would have been bleats on here about "ONE RULE FOR THEM AND ANOTHER FOR THE REST OF US"..



Actually, although that wasn't my point, it was the point raised in MCN i.e the £500+1yrban (trafpol) vs. £5000+2yr ban (non trafpol) for very similar speeds etc.



The inconsistance of Magistrates for you..

I've had burglars appear before magistrates for vitually the same offence and one has been given a custodial sentence, where the other received community service...

It's a naive man who bets on the sentence dished out by a dotty magistrate...

deeps

5,432 posts

270 months

Friday 14th January 2005
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catso said:
“Safety Camera vans can only record speed, and therefore can’t provide evidence of dangerous driving.”



Catso, What an excellent quote!!

Sums up the safety camera partnerships with 100% accuracy!

DeltaFox

3,839 posts

261 months

Friday 14th January 2005
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deeps said:

catso said:
“Safety Camera vans can only record speed, and therefore can’t provide evidence of dangerous driving.”




Catso, What an excellent quote!!

Sums up the safety camera partnerships with 100% accuracy!


Unlike their cameras....arf arf!

catso

Original Poster:

16,437 posts

296 months

Friday 14th January 2005
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deeps said:

catso said:
“Safety Camera vans can only record speed, and therefore can’t provide evidence of dangerous driving.”




Catso, What an excellent quote!!

Sums up the safety camera partnerships with 100% accuracy!


Indeed, and this from a (Inverness) Police spokesman.

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