RE: GPS-based detector sales to soar
RE: GPS-based detector sales to soar
Monday 17th January 2005

GPS-based detector sales to soar

GPS detector makers will cash in, one such predicts


A maker of GPS-based scamera warning devices reckons up to half a million motorists could face prosecution this spring. That's when a ban on radar and laser-based devices comes into force.

As a result, vendors of GPS devices such as Morpheous' RoadPilot are set to cash in big time, according to one such vendor. They believe that when the detector-banning Road Safety Bill becomes law, motorists previously undecided which type of warning device to buy will plump for GPS.

According to the makers of Cyclops, a GPS-based in-car warning system (above), the market for in-car driver aides has exploded during the past 18 months as the number of fixed speed cameras jumped to well over 5,000. During 2004, an estimated three million fixed penalty fines were issued, with thousands losing their licences in the process. Cyclops "conservatively estimates" that the number of vehicles carrying laser or radar detectors stands at over 500,000 today.

Despite the impending ban on the ‘use and carriage’ of these detector systems, Cyclops anticipates the Government’s plan will actually fuel the market for the safer GPS based alert systems.

"The ban on laser detectors is now pretty clear to the industry", said Cyclops' Steve Wreford. "However, clarification of the changes in the law for drivers will ‘unlock’ significant demand from consumers who have, up until now, been unsure of the legality of the different systems on the market."

With a maximum of six points for motorists caught exceeding the limit by a large amount speeding -- for example 45mph in a 30mph zone -- some could lose their licence in just two offences under the new legislation. This, said Wreford, will further stimulate the market for GPS systems even more.

"Sales of GPS driver aides will soar during the second half of the year," said Wreford. "Before now, the average motorist has tended to shy away from making a purchase fearful of buying a potentially illegal unit. That will change, and for stockists that could mean a doubling or trebling of annual sales by 2006."

Wreford likens the impending boom to the satellite navigation market. "Five years ago, it was labelled a luxury item. Today, it generates 500,000 sales annually as more and more people see the benefit. There is no reason why GPS driver safety devices won’t go the same way as road safety camera sites increase over the next few years."

www.cyclops-uk.com

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nisman

Original Poster:

55 posts

291 months

Monday 17th January 2005
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The chance of being caught with a laser detector must be even more miniscule than the chance of being caught speeding by a real policemen. Does anyone what know what penalties are threatened? I'm using the Road Angel with detachable laser alert.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

299 months

Monday 17th January 2005
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On my morning commute into London I reckon about 5% of cars now have a speed device of some sort.

All sorts too, businessmen in their Mercs, school run mums in their MPV's the lot.

It just goes to show that everyone, not just petrolheads, view the speed camera explosion as a plague...

gruffy

7,212 posts

288 months

Monday 17th January 2005
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I shan't be throwing away my Road Angel 2 GPS even though it has a built-in laser detector. Buggered if I'm throwing £400 down the swanny!

Gruffy

rtp

30 posts

260 months

Monday 17th January 2005
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I have a laser operated door and gate actuator. The one fitted to my car operates my gates, my parents gates and also one in other places, maily in Itlay. Are the government going to pay the several thousand pounds needed to replace them

g_attrill

9,039 posts

275 months

Monday 17th January 2005
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I would imagine if the law does go through then disabling the built-in laser detection on GPS devices is either possible in software or via a simple hardware modification.

Still doesn't make it right of course!

Gareth

cooperman

4,428 posts

279 months

Monday 17th January 2005
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Let's try to be a little clearer on all this.
First of all, how will the Old Bill know you have a radar detector? The hardly ever use hand-held radar any more and the only other radar devices are the Gatsos. When did you last see a pursuit car at a Gatso site?
Laser detectors are virtually useless anyway as when you get the warning you've usually been 'clocked' already. How will plod know you have one and, more important, how interested will they be in knowing that you will know that you've been clocked after the event?
The laser jammers, which are what this legislation is primarily aimed at, are another matter. The latest ones will tell you that they have jammed a hostile laser, but that won't mean you've been caught unless there is a pursuit vehicle at the laser-camera location, which rather defeats the object of the camera somewhat. If you do get the warning that you've just jammed a laser, then take out the unit before plod can come and check your vehicle. Better still if the vehicle is registered to a company, as they will first have to visit the company, then you'll know to temporarily remove the jammer unit.
You speed, it's illegal. So if you are prepared to offend against motoring law, why would you be worried about offending against this new law in respect of detectors?

v8thunder

27,647 posts

287 months

Monday 17th January 2005
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Problem with the GPS systems is that, by satellite you know where everything is, but so does whoever has access to the satellite. I wonder sometimes whether the government let people keep their GPS scamera detectors to see if anyone's speeding in lieu of tracking devices and ultimately speed control.

Don

28,378 posts

313 months

Monday 17th January 2005
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v8thunder said:
Problem with the GPS systems is that, by satellite you know where everything is, but so does whoever has access to the satellite. I wonder sometimes whether the government let people keep their GPS scamera detectors to see if anyone's speeding in lieu of tracking devices and ultimately speed control.


This isn't quite the case. GPS recievers do not transmit your position anywhere. Tracking systems that do use SMS messages to transmit the coordinates.

Me - I'm going to buy a radar/laser detector before its illegal to sell them.

LongQ

13,864 posts

262 months

Monday 17th January 2005
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Apparently this new law has all party support.

Just goes to show how ignorant politicians are about real facts and how focused they are on personal power and aggrandizement.

The 'use and carriage' aspect no doubt makes this a much more serious and easily prosecutable crime than, say, burglary, fraud, MPs fiddling expenses claims, illegal wars - no matter how potentially desirable they may be, and beating people senseless in the street.

Personally I am inclined to support 24hr drinking solely on the basis that it should keep so many BiB busy full time (and provide another source of overtime for them) that we motorists might just get a bit of a break.

bryan35

1,906 posts

270 months

Monday 17th January 2005
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jammers chaps, not detectors.

Laser detectors don't jam anything.
Radar detectors CAN emit a superhet frequency which can cause radio interference. That's whats being banned.

james_j

3,996 posts

284 months

Monday 17th January 2005
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bryan35 said:
jammers chaps, not detectors.

Laser detectors don't jam anything.
Radar detectors CAN emit a superhet frequency which can cause radio interference. That's whats being banned.



Are you sure about detector emissions? I'm sure they receive only.

geofflowe

1,732 posts

308 months

Monday 17th January 2005
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I wonder if a representative from Snooper could let us know if the S4 'Laser' function can be disabled?

DennisTheMenace

15,605 posts

297 months

Monday 17th January 2005
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rtp said:
I have a laser operated door and gate actuator. The one fitted to my car operates my gates, my parents gates and also one in other places, maily in Itlay. Are the government going to pay the several thousand pounds needed to replace them


Im still waiting for my gates

puggit

49,800 posts

277 months

Monday 17th January 2005
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They'll never make it stick

How many people do you see using mobile phones? Lots... And that's far more obvious then a little piece of electronics in your car.

They'll soon get fed up of stopping people with mobiles and PDAs that look like they could be jammers/detectors.

A pox on Tony the Liar and all his ill-informed minstrels.

Alicatt

220 posts

262 months

Monday 17th January 2005
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james_j said:

bryan35 said:
jammers chaps, not detectors.

Laser detectors don't jam anything.
Radar detectors CAN emit a superhet frequency which can cause radio interference. That's whats being banned.




Are you sure about detector emissions? I'm sure they receive only.
As a byproduct of receiving the radar signal, the detector has to generate radio frequencies, very low level admitidly but still detectable

speed.demon

48 posts

281 months

Monday 17th January 2005
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Now i'm not sure what to do, buy a laser or gps coz in the end there both be banned the way things are going......

What is the best Laser?, and what is the best GPS?
and i mean best not the most expencive.....

regards Speed.Demon

Bluementhol

111 posts

273 months

Monday 17th January 2005
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They can't ban GPS. It's too wide spread in navigation systems.
If someone wants to set a list of accident blackspots in their GPS system what can they do

DeltaFox

3,839 posts

261 months

Monday 17th January 2005
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Let em ban away, im keeping mine and getting more of em! They might start getting really cheap now in which case ill get a stash of em....

moparmick

690 posts

262 months

Monday 17th January 2005
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I have electric gates, electric garage door, i also make and install electric gates, so i've always got openers in my van and car.
Lucky me, i suppose

aaandy

764 posts

281 months

Tuesday 18th January 2005
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All these radar detectors have been banned in France for some time. Believe that the French police issue an on the spot fine (not sure how much) and confiscate the device as well. This applies if it is found in use or stuffed in your glove box, under the seat etc.

From what I have read on here this proves to be enough of a deterant to most people going down to France for Le Mans remove who them from their cars before leaving home. So I guess that this proves to an extent that some kind of ban would stop people using them (depending on how it is enforced and what the penalty is).

For using your phone in your car you currently only get a £30 fine. Not a big deal, but if the police were going to confiscate £400 worth of kit and give me a large fine I'd think twice.