National Crime Recording Standards
Discussion
For those who don't know it...the 43 police forces in England and Wales subscribe to the above..
If there is suggestion that a crime has been committed, then there MUST have been a crime...
ie: if a report of "kids garden hopping" comes in; the BiB who attend must check all the gardens for signs of foliage damage. If any is seen, a 5 page crime report must be conducted and house-to-house enquiries.
Any deviation from this is 'neglect of duty'...
Wonder why the old bill get dissillusioned..?
If there is suggestion that a crime has been committed, then there MUST have been a crime...
ie: if a report of "kids garden hopping" comes in; the BiB who attend must check all the gardens for signs of foliage damage. If any is seen, a 5 page crime report must be conducted and house-to-house enquiries.
Any deviation from this is 'neglect of duty'...
Wonder why the old bill get dissillusioned..?
trax said:
Yep, proper policing is just too hard. Much less forms to screw a moterist.
When you have to deal with that volume of "offenders" the paper work becomes a lot more stream lined. The ironic thing is that, if the fast track common sense way that motoring offences are dealt with were applied to minor anti-social offences, that take up the majority of police time, this country would probably be a much nicer place to live. Seems insane that some pillocks running through your back garden are treated to the same procedural law as those who have committed a more serious crime. Methinks a "clip on the ear" mentality would have more of an effect and allow the police to police.
If only the crime report could read "we caught the little scotes vandalising a bus stop so we jumped out the van, gave them a bloody good hiding, and told them not to do it again!"
trax said:
Yep, proper policing is just too hard. Much less forms to screw a moterist.
Not a case of that...not in the slightest...
Bobbies don't want to do this kind of shite, but have no choice....Government led shite....then the gaffers in the police....
As for MOTERISTS.....again...90% of beat bobbies dont do traffic offences either out of choice, or because they have no time free....
The bleats about easier to do motorists is at the best naive at the worse ill-educated....or perhaps fed on Tabloid scraps..
MilnerR said:
If only the crime report could read "we caught the little scotes vandalising a bus stop so we jumped out the van, gave them a bloody good hiding, and told them not to do it again!"
God, if only...
But then we'd be Judge, Jury and executioner, wouldn't we? And where do we start to draw the line?
A great idea in principle, but probably unworkable in reality. Shame.
MilnerR said:
Which has the larger amount of paperwork a speeding offence or a shoplifting offence?
Not trying to "have a go" just wondering which has to have a more legally tight paper trail
Depends on the speed...if the person was reported on summons, whether any driving standards were involved..
Only difference to time; is that the shoplifter was arrested...
Of course....a police force with 4000 officers, only has about 70 which are traffic officers; who have more duties nowadays than just speed enforcement...
It takes very little time to deal with automated speeding offences; and of course doesn't require a policeman..
That was my point Gary, speeding is a more serious offence in terms of potential consequences (if we are to believe the partnerships) and yet the vast majority of cases are dealt with automatically. While relatively minor offences require the BiB to sacrifice the rest of his shift filling in paper work. Seems a bit arse about face to me.
Either stream line the whole system to allow minor offences to be dealt with quickly or give the motorist a fair crack of the whip.
Either stream line the whole system to allow minor offences to be dealt with quickly or give the motorist a fair crack of the whip.
MilnerR said:
That was my point Gary, speeding is a more serious offence in terms of potential consequences (if we are to believe the partnerships) and yet the vast majority of cases are dealt with automatically. While relatively minor offences require the BiB to sacrifice the rest of his shift filling in paper work. Seems a bit arse about face to me.
Either stream line the whole system to allow minor offences to be dealt with quickly or give the motorist a fair crack of the whip.
It's about proof and levels of it. Speeding is an absolute offence and doesn't need intention; where offences like shoplifting do, and therefore require interviews.
Peter Ward said:
It's about proof and levels of it. Speeding is an absolute offence and doesn't need intention; where offences like shoplifting do, and therefore require interviews.
So "it just fell in my bag, guv" is a valid defence to shoplifting? Must remember that next time
If the store detective hasn't witnessed you taking the item; you wont get stopped anyway..
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