Parking fine, confusion over signage

[Jazzy Jefferson]

Hi

Got myself a parking ticket, so I've clearly misunderstood the below sign. Can anyone confirm what it means?

thanks

[andburg]

right nor wrong i read that as

no parking for buses or vehicles over 5t between the hours 00:00 - 08:00 and 18:30 to 00:00

so ok to park between 08:00 and 18:30

[hornetrider]

No trucks over 5t, no buses, no parking for cars during the above stated times.

That's what I'd say. So you can park from 8am to 6.30pm? Seems odd.

How wrong am I?

[rolando]

Confusing?

I interpret the sign to mean as follows:

No waiting for goods vehicles >5 tonnes and buses during the times specified.

Therefore, anything else can park at any time and >5t and buses can park 8am-6.30pm.

I may well be wrong.

[AGK]

What lines are on the road?

I take that sign as no waiting for busses/vehicles 5t> between midnight and 8am and 6:30pm and midnight.

[anonymous-user]

Maybe this will help OP;
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

Edited by djstevec on Wednesday 22 April 15:22

[herewego]

Are there double yellows on the road or is it a no waiting zone?

[Jazzy Jefferson]

Hi all

Thanks for the replies.

I think I see where I've gone wrong. Whilst this sign was present (I parked in front of it) there was also a single yellow line, I've understood the sign just fine, but ignored the yellow line. Being London, I guess that's what they've ticketed me on. Bugger, better pay up.

Edited by Jazzy Jefferson on Wednesday 22 April 16:06

[budgie smuggler]

Jazzy Jefferson said:

Hi all

Thanks for the replies.

I think I see where I've gone wrong. Whilst this sign was present (I parked in front of it) there was also a single yellow line, I've understood the sign just fine, but ignored the yellow line. Being London, I guess that's what they've ticketed me on. Bugger, better pay up.

Edited by Jazzy Jefferson on Wednesday 22 April 16:06

I thought that single yellows were enforced in conjunction with what the sign next to it says. Is that not the case then?

[Jazzy Jefferson]

budgie smuggler said:

I thought that single yellows were enforced in conjunction with what the sign next to it says. Is that not the case then?

For the rest of the country, I believe that is the case.

However, London being "special"

http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/services/transport-...

Single yellow line

Parking is not allowed:

Monday to Friday 7am - 7pm
Saturday 7am - 11am (except Bank and Public Holidays)
If different times apply a black and white time plate displays the controlled parking hours for that specific location
When the controlled hours have ended you are allowed to park on a single yellow line EXCEPT at dropped kerbs/raised carriageways and footways

There were no additional plates with times, it was Thursday between 7am and 7pm. If only I had checked before going. The total cost for me and a two colleagues to work in London for a few days - getting on for £150. Madness.

Edited by Jazzy Jefferson on Wednesday 22 April 16:30

[flemke]

Jazzy Jefferson said:

budgie smuggler said:

I thought that single yellows were enforced in conjunction with what the sign next to it says. Is that not the case then?

For the rest of the country, I believe that is the case.

However, London being "special"

http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/services/transport-...

Single yellow line

Parking is not allowed:

Monday to Friday 7am - 7pm
Saturday 7am - 11am (except Bank and Public Holidays)
If different times apply a black and white time plate displays the controlled parking hours for that specific location
When the controlled hours have ended you are allowed to park on a single yellow line EXCEPT at dropped kerbs/raised carriageways and footways

There were no additional plates with times, it was Thursday between 7am and 7pm. If only I had checked before going. The total cost for me and a two colleagues to work in London for a few days - getting on for £150. Madness.

Edited by Jazzy Jefferson on Wednesday 22 April 16:30

You are probably aware of this, but those rules are for the "City of London", which is just a small piece of "London". Rules for things such as single yellows vary by borough, of which there are 32 others.

[Cliftonite]

So any London Borough can make up its own rules about yellow lines and fine any innocent motorist who doesn't (a) know which part of London one is in and (b) check the council website for the times yellow lines are valid?

[kiethton]

Yes

And some boroughs have different restrictions for different towns within each borough....

[Cliftonite]

A single yellow line MUST have an accompanying sign showing times of validity.

Surely?

[flemke]

Cliftonite said:

A single yellow line MUST have an accompanying sign showing times of validity.

Surely?

They must have signs somewhere, but as we all know those signs can be hard to find and harder to comprehend.

Each London borough (and the City of London does not count as a "borough", and it also has its own police force separate from the Met) does however have its own parking rules.

It gets particularly annoying when one is on the border of two boroughs, so that the two sides of the road are governed by different rules.

[Jazzy Jefferson]

flemke said:

You are probably aware of this, but those rules are for the "City of London", which is just a small piece of "London". Rules for things such as single yellows vary by borough, of which there are 32 others.

Yes, you're quite right. On closer inspection, Islington Borough, who issued the ticket, follow similar rules to the above.

[flemke]

Jazzy Jefferson said:

flemke said:

You are probably aware of this, but those rules are for the "City of London", which is just a small piece of "London". Rules for things such as single yellows vary by borough, of which there are 32 others.

Yes, you're quite right. On closer inspection, Islington Borough, who issued the ticket, follow similar rules to the above.

You parked in the People's Republic of Islington? I'm surprised they did not confiscate the vehicle for having an internal combustion engine and therefore being inimical to humanity.
This would be the same Islington that recently announced a 20 mph speed limit for every street in the borough.

[speedking31]

§6.20 in the article posted by djstevec seems to have that covered, and could form the basis of an appeal.

[jensenhealey2]

Most London boroughs make use of CPZ (controllled parking zones). In these the yellow line restrictions are posted on signs that have to be present on each entrance to the CPZ, so there does not have to be a plate by each yellow line. he trouble with this is there aree so many signs in London that you cannot realistically be expected to spot them or even know the rules as they vary between CPZ and CPZ, but you are bound by htem unless you can show they do not conform to the TSGRD.

[mgtony]

Just to make things even more confusing, wasn't there a thread a while back about a borough/council that had no lines painted on the road, just the restrictions on the signs as you entered the zone?