Disqualification - applies on private roads too?
Discussion
Hi folks,
Does a disqualification from driving stop you from driving in this country, period?
My friend has just gotten suspended for two months due to a horrendously disgusting and capital-punishment deserving crime
of doing 110mph down an empty motorway, and he was told at the hearing that he was banned from driving on both public and private roads.
Is this the case?
I was always under the impression that even whilst suspended you could drive on private land, e.g. track days, your driveway etc.
Am I wrong?
Cheers,
D
Does a disqualification from driving stop you from driving in this country, period?
My friend has just gotten suspended for two months due to a horrendously disgusting and capital-punishment deserving crime
of doing 110mph down an empty motorway, and he was told at the hearing that he was banned from driving on both public and private roads. Is this the case?
I was always under the impression that even whilst suspended you could drive on private land, e.g. track days, your driveway etc.
Am I wrong?
Cheers,
D
regmolehusband said:I was told that the requirement to show your license was only to prove to the organisers that you have been formally trained to drive a car (also presumably it is a requirement of the public liability insurance they have).
You certainly can't drive on trackdays because you have to show your driving licence.
In fact, here's an interesting snippet of text I copied off bookatrack.com's FAQ page:
bookatrack.com said:
Do I need to show my driving license?
You need to show a full UK driving license at all Motor Sport Vision circuits (see venue information for more details). If any of our events at these circuits are on a weekend day or a bank holiday and you are not in possession of your license unfortunately you will not be allowed to drive on the track. For all other venues we recommend you bring your driving license although you may not automatically have to show it.
So it appears that having a driving license is NOT a prerequisite to being allowed to drive on a track, as a track is a private venue and the owners of that land decide what rules they have regarding who they let on the tarmac.
So my question still stands: when you are disqualified, are you also disqualified from driving on private land?
D
^Slider^_from_another_thread_which_might_help said:
Powers extend to any road or highway to which the public have access. So as i assume Canary Warf has public access on the roads, all normal powers apply. (Section 192 Road Traffic Act) Hence why supermarket car parks and the like also are roads as per the Road Traffic Act.
Silverstone track wont apply as the track is not a road to which the public have access.
Some laws will only apply to public roads (a road repairable at the publics expense)
-DeaDLocK- said:
So my question still stands: when you are disqualified, are you also disqualified from driving on private land?
D
I'm no legal expert but I really don't see how you could be, private land is private and so anyone could drive on it (probably need the landowners permission).
My kids ride motorcycles and Quads around my garden, are they breaking the law?
Also there are several cases of Racers being banned by the courts carrying on Racing.
Let me just clarify something.
As was quoted silverstone or other tracks wont be covered by the RTA thus you do not need a license to drive on them, trackday organisers ask to see the license so they know you can drive a motor vehicle, as they wouldent want non driving pilots on the tracks (probably an insurance aspect an their liability)
Rear gardens again are not public places so the kids are fine.
If you wanted to go onto provate land and have landowners permsission that of fine too. (well its fine even if you dont have permission in respect to the RTA but other laws come into play on that too).
The only thing that could be called into question is how the vehicle got to the track and how it will leave the track. But IMHO they would catch you on the way out rather than try and prove something the hard way.
Gareth
As was quoted silverstone or other tracks wont be covered by the RTA thus you do not need a license to drive on them, trackday organisers ask to see the license so they know you can drive a motor vehicle, as they wouldent want non driving pilots on the tracks (probably an insurance aspect an their liability)
Rear gardens again are not public places so the kids are fine.
If you wanted to go onto provate land and have landowners permsission that of fine too. (well its fine even if you dont have permission in respect to the RTA but other laws come into play on that too).
The only thing that could be called into question is how the vehicle got to the track and how it will leave the track. But IMHO they would catch you on the way out rather than try and prove something the hard way.
Gareth
deadlock
Could write pages on what is/ isn't road/public place on which you can/cannot drive. But in a very small nutshell if the public not admitted, are barred access either by physical barrier, against the wishes of the land owner or just open to select few to use then this can be classed as truly private and boyoo can drive away at his hearts content without fear of being done for DDisq.
But also bear in mind the final decision rests with Their Worships....
DVD
Could write pages on what is/ isn't road/public place on which you can/cannot drive. But in a very small nutshell if the public not admitted, are barred access either by physical barrier, against the wishes of the land owner or just open to select few to use then this can be classed as truly private and boyoo can drive away at his hearts content without fear of being done for DDisq.
But also bear in mind the final decision rests with Their Worships....
DVD
"You certainly can't drive on trackdays because you have to show your driving licence."
That's actually not 100% accurate. Motorsport Vision (Dr Palmers outfit) insist all drivers have a current, full license - and will always check.
Most/all other circuits (and indeed our own PL insurance) simply states the driver must :-
a) hold, or
b) have past the required tests in order to hold
a valid drivers license.
This means if you are banned from driving you can *in theory* still drive on track days at non-MSV venues. The caveat here being if you'd been banned for drink, drugs or death by - then it would be at the individual circuit/TDO's discretion whether or not to allow you.
Hope this helps!
Jonny
BookaTrack.com Ltd
That's actually not 100% accurate. Motorsport Vision (Dr Palmers outfit) insist all drivers have a current, full license - and will always check.
Most/all other circuits (and indeed our own PL insurance) simply states the driver must :-
a) hold, or
b) have past the required tests in order to hold
a valid drivers license.
This means if you are banned from driving you can *in theory* still drive on track days at non-MSV venues. The caveat here being if you'd been banned for drink, drugs or death by - then it would be at the individual circuit/TDO's discretion whether or not to allow you.
Hope this helps!
Jonny
BookaTrack.com Ltd
catso said:
You certainly can't drive on trackdays because you have to show your driving licence.
Are you sure you need a 'valid' licence?
IIRC there are several professional Motorcycle racers who don't even have a 'road' licence and yet race in premium race series.
definitely didn't need to show my licence last sunday at the donington RMA day
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