Gatsos with no road markings

[CAPP0]

Probably been done to death, probably a simple question with a simple answer, but here it is:

If the road surface around a longstanding, old-fashioned, original-style Gatso has been renewed, several months ago, and there are consequently no Gatso measurement lines in place, (other road markings, ie lane lines, have been replaced), can the Gatso still be used to bring a prosecution for speeding? Or are they reliant on the road markings to confirm speed (notwithstanding that the gubbins in the camera can calculate that you were going too fast)?

No, I haven't been caught, no I don't ignore Gatsos, but there are two on my commute where this applies and I just wondered.

[SS2.]

Gatso Type 24 units are approved for use without any timing marks on the road surface.

[creampuff]

Everytime I've seen this, it has been the old film camera based Gatso and not a digital camera.

I've always assumed that is just one of the majority of Gatso boxes that are not actually used and don't have a camera inside.

That's my theory, I'm not going to test it out by driving past one at 80mph while giving it the finger.

[Type R Tom]

CAPP0 said:

Probably been done to death, probably a simple question with a simple answer, but here it is:

If the road surface around a longstanding, old-fashioned, original-style Gatso has been renewed, several months ago, and there are consequently no Gatso measurement lines in place, (other road markings, ie lane lines, have been replaced), can the Gatso still be used to bring a prosecution for speeding? Or are they reliant on the road markings to confirm speed (notwithstanding that the gubbins in the camera can calculate that you were going too fast)?

No, I haven't been caught, no I don't ignore Gatsos, but there are two on my commute where this applies and I just wondered.

I guess you're talking about the Rochester Way? Won't worry about it, they are set to be replaced with average speed soon so I think they're off.

Going to be frustrating as off peak 50+ isn't unreasonable but at least they aren't lowering it, there were rumours they might raise it to 60 but I very much doubt it.

[CAPP0]

Type R Tom said:

I guess you're talking about the Rochester Way? Won't worry about it, they are set to be replaced with average speed soon so I think they're off.

Going to be frustrating as off peak 50+ isn't unreasonable but at least they aren't lowering it, there were rumours they might raise it to 60 but I very much doubt it.

Yes, and also the mad mile on the A20 at Mottingham. I hadn't heard about the average speed cameras but it kinda makes sense, there's not many people who stick to the limit there when traffic allows! Let's hope they're front-facing although I'm sure they won't be.

Thanks.

[Martin_Hx]

They re-surfaced a 50 limit DC near us with the old big yellow cameras def not digital and they still haven't re-painted any lines on the road around 4 months after the work has finished

[Paul Dishman]

There are a couple of Gatsos on the A303 with no accompanying road makings, both westbound- one at Chicklade and the other on the Ilchester bypass

[anonymous-user]

Where are all these barbarically named places? Far from London, I guess (shudder). I am surprised that they even have roads out there in sticksville, let alone cameras. Don't worry, chaps, him big fella flashy box no steal um soul, just take rubbish picture for give to copper, then you much wampum pay to him big fella guy sit under palm tree.

[Type R Tom]

Breadvan72 said:

Where are all these barbarically named places? Far from London, I guess (shudder). I am surprised that they even have roads out there in sticksville, let alone cameras. Don't worry, chaps, him big fella flashy box no steal um soul, just take rubbish picture for give to copper, then you much wampum pay to him big fella guy sit under palm tree.

Rochester Way is the A2 into London (Blackwall tunnel)

[anonymous-user]

East End, innit. More an extension westwards of Essex than an extension eastwards of the civilised area Have you ever tried driving to the speed limit while wearing white stilettos? Bit of a challenge, I can tell you.

[CAPP0]

Breadvan72 said:

Where are all these barbarically named places? Far from London, I guess (shudder). I am surprised that they even have roads out there in sticksville, let alone cameras. Don't worry, chaps, him big fella flashy box no steal um soul, just take rubbish picture for give to copper, then you much wampum pay to him big fella guy sit under palm tree.

Pass the kouchie!

[kiethton]

CAPP0 said:

Yes, and also the mad mile on the A20 at Mottingham. I hadn't heard about the average speed cameras but it kinda makes sense, there's not many people who stick to the limit there when traffic allows! Let's hope they're front-facing although I'm sure they won't be.

Thanks.

I ignore this one daily with no ill effects

Although the police regularly plot up underneath it with a gun....

Edited by kiethton on Friday 18th September 13:11

[ging84]

Breadvan72 said:

East End, innit. More an extension westwards of Essex than an extension eastwards of the civilised area Have you ever tried driving to the speed limit while wearing white stilettos? Bit of a challenge, I can tell you.

why are white ones more difficult to drive in than any other colour?

[Hooli]

Breadvan72 said:

East End, innit. More an extension westwards of Essex than an extension eastwards of the civilised area Have you ever tried driving to the speed limit while wearing white stilettos? Bit of a challenge, I can tell you.

I'm not sure you can argue that London is a civilised area.

[CAPP0]

kiethton said:

Although the police regularly plot up underneath it with a gun....

Edited by kiethton on Friday 18th September 13:11

Yep, don't they just!

[anonymous-user]

London is the only civilised area of the UK, except for parts of Edinburgh. I now live in exile about 45 miles west of London (economic migrant, not refugee), but South Oxon is almost a London suburb with extra big parks, so I can just about survive it, although it's a grind.

As for the stiletto colour choice, for some reason, when you wear white ones your IQ drops.

[thescamper]

Paul Dishman said:

There are a couple of Gatsos on the A303 with no accompanying road makings, both westbound- one at Chicklade and the other on the Ilchester bypass

You mean the Ilminster bypass.

[Paul Dishman]

thescamper said:

Paul Dishman said:

There are a couple of Gatsos on the A303 with no accompanying road makings, both westbound- one at Chicklade and the other on the Ilchester bypass

You mean the Ilminster bypass.

Correct, the three-lane road. Thanks

[uk_vette]

CAPP0 said:

Probably been done to death, probably a simple question with a simple answer, but here it is:

If the road surface around a longstanding, old-fashioned, original-style Gatso has been renewed, several months ago, and there are consequently no Gatso measurement lines in place, (other road markings, ie lane lines, have been replaced), can the Gatso still be used to bring a prosecution for speeding? Or are they reliant on the road markings to confirm speed (notwithstanding that the gubbins in the camera can calculate that you were going too fast)?

No, I haven't been caught, no I don't ignore Gatsos, but there are two on my commute where this applies and I just wondered.

Same in Warrington, A49 outside the Ford dealership, heading to motorway M62

New surface.
All other lines replaced, but no Gatso lines

[CAPP0]

SS2. said:

Gatso Type 24 units are approved for use without any timing marks on the road surface.

Is a Type 24 the standard big yellow box that we know and loathe?