ANPR ...... how good is it ?
Discussion
We hear a lot about ANPR, and we see it on tv programs.
I have a mate who works in a unit near mine , he is a motor mechanic, and it is surprising how many people find out their MOT ran out months ago when they come to tax their car.
You could guess that they've only done local runs and not been anywhere near any ANPR stuff.
Tonight a mate (yes I do have one), has discovered that he's been driving for a year with no insurance, he's taxed his car without issue as they don't check anymore, and his car is only twelve months old, so no MOT for him to worry about.
He's done 15,000 miles, and been all over the country, including London.
He is of course trying to blame everyone but himself, and he isn't in trouble, he has only found out as he rang his "insurance company" to find out why they haven't sent him a quote for this year !
So is there really much ANPR stuff about ?
I have a mate who works in a unit near mine , he is a motor mechanic, and it is surprising how many people find out their MOT ran out months ago when they come to tax their car.
You could guess that they've only done local runs and not been anywhere near any ANPR stuff.
Tonight a mate (yes I do have one), has discovered that he's been driving for a year with no insurance, he's taxed his car without issue as they don't check anymore, and his car is only twelve months old, so no MOT for him to worry about.
He's done 15,000 miles, and been all over the country, including London.
He is of course trying to blame everyone but himself, and he isn't in trouble, he has only found out as he rang his "insurance company" to find out why they haven't sent him a quote for this year !
So is there really much ANPR stuff about ?
Nigel Worc's said:
... a mate (yes I do have one), has discovered that he's been driving for a year with no insurance, he's taxed his car without issue as they don't check anymore, and his car is only twelve months old, so no MOT for him to worry about.
He's done 15,000 miles, and been all over the country, including London.
He is of course trying to blame everyone but himself, and he isn't in trouble, he has only found out as he rang his "insurance company" to find out why they haven't sent him a quote for this year !
So is there really much ANPR stuff about ?
CIE (Continuous Insurance Enforcement) would preclude this tale - if the car was taxed for its first year on the road the RK would have received a letter from DVLA after the first six weeks untaxed, followed by a "pay us £100" letter from DVLA then further action leading to a summons to appear before the beaks quite a few months ago.He's done 15,000 miles, and been all over the country, including London.
He is of course trying to blame everyone but himself, and he isn't in trouble, he has only found out as he rang his "insurance company" to find out why they haven't sent him a quote for this year !
So is there really much ANPR stuff about ?
So what happened to this first warning shot across his bows 46 weeks ago? And subsequent action? Is the car not linked to him (incorrect address for the RK, for example - did he never receive a V5C)?
aw51 121565 said:
Nigel Worc's said:
... a mate (yes I do have one), has discovered that he's been driving for a year with no insurance, he's taxed his car without issue as they don't check anymore, and his car is only twelve months old, so no MOT for him to worry about.
He's done 15,000 miles, and been all over the country, including London.
He is of course trying to blame everyone but himself, and he isn't in trouble, he has only found out as he rang his "insurance company" to find out why they haven't sent him a quote for this year !
So is there really much ANPR stuff about ?
CIE (Continuous Insurance Enforcement) would preclude this tale - if the car was taxed for its first year on the road the RK would have received a letter from DVLA after the first six weeks untaxed, followed by a "pay us £100" letter from DVLA then further action leading to a summons to appear before the beaks quite a few months ago.He's done 15,000 miles, and been all over the country, including London.
He is of course trying to blame everyone but himself, and he isn't in trouble, he has only found out as he rang his "insurance company" to find out why they haven't sent him a quote for this year !
So is there really much ANPR stuff about ?
So what happened to this first warning shot across his bows 46 weeks ago? And subsequent action? Is the car not linked to him (incorrect address for the RK, for example - did he never receive a V5C)?
Brand new car, seven days (or whatever) drive away insurance, car taxed by dealer when picked up, he arranged insurance, insurance company now say they notified him their underwriters had declined him, by letter, he finds out on Friday when he enquires about renewal.
Did he actually pay ? He will be checking tomorrow.
Did he check his documents ? Obviously not.
Did he receive the letter ? He says not.
Would an insurer follow up on one letter regarding something so serious ? I've no idea.
Why didn't DVLA notice ? I've no idea.
It would appear he's re-taxed the car whilst he believes he wasn't insured !
He isn't the type to make this up, he is unobservant enough to allow it to happen though.
Nigel Worc's said:
We hear a lot about ANPR, and we see it on tv programs.
I have a mate who works in a unit near mine , he is a motor mechanic, and it is surprising how many people find out their MOT ran out months ago when they come to tax their car.
You could guess that they've only done local runs and not been anywhere near any ANPR stuff.
Tonight a mate (yes I do have one), has discovered that he's been driving for a year with no insurance, he's taxed his car without issue as they don't check anymore, and his car is only twelve months old, so no MOT for him to worry about.
He's done 15,000 miles, and been all over the country, including London.
He is of course trying to blame everyone but himself, and he isn't in trouble, he has only found out as he rang his "insurance company" to find out why they haven't sent him a quote for this year !
So is there really much ANPR stuff about ?
Now we know you're fibbing.I have a mate who works in a unit near mine , he is a motor mechanic, and it is surprising how many people find out their MOT ran out months ago when they come to tax their car.
You could guess that they've only done local runs and not been anywhere near any ANPR stuff.
Tonight a mate (yes I do have one), has discovered that he's been driving for a year with no insurance, he's taxed his car without issue as they don't check anymore, and his car is only twelve months old, so no MOT for him to worry about.
He's done 15,000 miles, and been all over the country, including London.
He is of course trying to blame everyone but himself, and he isn't in trouble, he has only found out as he rang his "insurance company" to find out why they haven't sent him a quote for this year !
So is there really much ANPR stuff about ?
I do wonder about ANPR, but I think with less police on the streets it does make things easier for people.
I drove my new vehicle home from London without any issues (given I live in the Bristol Area) with it showing as no insurance and no tax (I had, of course, sorted these in the dealers office on his laptop) and was fully expecting a tug (so didn't set out without ensuring I had proof of the above on my phone!). Yet somehow I got home without being bothered.
I drove my new vehicle home from London without any issues (given I live in the Bristol Area) with it showing as no insurance and no tax (I had, of course, sorted these in the dealers office on his laptop) and was fully expecting a tug (so didn't set out without ensuring I had proof of the above on my phone!). Yet somehow I got home without being bothered.
I police over 500 miles of m/way. I'm lucky if we have half a dozen cars out. The ANPR Cameras read thousands of hits an hour. The most serious offences get the priority. Once an arrest is made that's usually two, certainly one car off the road for most of the shift, interviewing and doing paperwork. Do the maths.
Elroy Blue said:
I police over 500 miles of m/way. I'm lucky if we have half a dozen cars out. The ANPR Cameras read thousands of hits an hour. The most serious offences get the priority. Once an arrest is made that's usually two, certainly one car off the road for most of the shift, interviewing and doing paperwork. Do the maths.
So would this be people wanted for arrest/warrant, where as a suspected drink driver who could/could not be over the limit floats by. Think we need more police on our roads.
There can be certain situations where a no insurance will not flag up on ANPR anyway, but even if it does so on a fixed camera it is unlikely for a unit to be deployed to it, whereas an ANPR hit for a wanted person, car full of drugs etc may be more likely to get someone sent towards it and is more easily justified to send a car on a high speed run towards it. You may be more likely to get tugged by the increasing number of cars with ANPR fitted in them for things like MOT/tax/insurance, but again in the main they will probably be too busy. Before changing my role in the police I used to patrol in an ANPR equipped vehicle nearly every day, we would generally get between 20 and 50 hits on the system each shift and would probably only get a chance to deal with one or two of them due to being on our way to other calls.
Again a reason I wish the money being spent on speed cameras was put towards more traffic police who possess discretion and the tools to tackle more than just speeders
Again a reason I wish the money being spent on speed cameras was put towards more traffic police who possess discretion and the tools to tackle more than just speeders
johnwilliams77 said:
The police don't seem to give a s
t about no MOT or tax. I have reported a couple of cars which have been left on our quiet road for months on end, reported it and the police just say they're dealing with it!
It is the responsibility of the DVLA to enforce tax. And police can't do anything about it unless they see the vehicle being driven, even then we either seize it or just submit a report to the DVLA for them to follow it up. t about no MOT or tax. I have reported a couple of cars which have been left on our quiet road for months on end, reported it and the police just say they're dealing with it!There are some fixed ANPR cameras near me, I asked my son who is a policeman if they actually caught many people or not, he told me there linked to a big screen in the local police station but there too short staffed to having anyone manning the screen, he said there is ussually quite a few vehicles red flagged but no action, one of the civilian admin staff clears all the warnings off the screen once a week.
HantsRat said:
It is the responsibility of the DVLA to enforce tax. And police can't do anything about it unless they see the vehicle being driven, even then we either seize it or just submit a report to the DVLA for them to follow it up.
So can the police not seize it since its sitting on the street with no tax?johnwilliams77 said:
HantsRat said:
It is the responsibility of the DVLA to enforce tax. And police can't do anything about it unless they see the vehicle being driven, even then we either seize it or just submit a report to the DVLA for them to follow it up.
So can the police not seize it since its sitting on the street with no tax?
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