The dangers of cohabitation
The dangers of cohabitation
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PurpleMoonlight

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22,362 posts

187 months

Wednesday 4th November 2015
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3303537/Ca...

25 year relationship.

1 child.

£0 financial input.

£275,000 pay out.

Kerching .....

julian64

14,325 posts

284 months

Wednesday 4th November 2015
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You serious?

AndrewEH1

4,922 posts

183 months

Wednesday 4th November 2015
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julian64 said:
You serious?
Seems like she deserved half to be honest.

As for the business it looks like she didn't at least half of the work starting/running it...

longblackcoat

5,047 posts

213 months

Wednesday 4th November 2015
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PurpleMoonlight said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3303537/Ca...

25 year relationship.

1 child.

£0 financial input.

£275,000 pay out.

Kerching .....
After 25 years? Seems entirely fair to me.

PurpleMoonlight

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22,362 posts

187 months

Wednesday 4th November 2015
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julian64 said:
You serious?
Absolutely.

They weren't married.

She was not a joint owner of the property and did not contribute financially to it.

She was not an owner of the business, she was just a paid employee.


TwistingMyMelon

6,517 posts

235 months

Wednesday 4th November 2015
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Seems fair to me

julian64

14,325 posts

284 months

Wednesday 4th November 2015
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PurpleMoonlight said:
julian64 said:
You serious?
Absolutely.

They weren't married.

She was not a joint owner of the property and did not contribute financially to it.

She was not an owner of the business, she was just a paid employee.
She stayed with him for 25 years, bought up his child. Forget what help she may have been in the family business.

You really think that means she was just a freeloader.

You are alf garnet and I claim my £5.

PurpleMoonlight

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22,362 posts

187 months

Wednesday 4th November 2015
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julian64 said:
She stayed with him for 25 years, bought up his child. Forget what help she may have been in the family business.

You really think that means she was just a freeloader.

You are alf garnet and I claim my £5.
Did anyone force her to stay? Was it not her child too and did he play no part?

If people what the financial benefits of a marriage then they should get married. There are far to many people, women mostly, trying to argue for a financial settlement where no 'contract' exists.


Devil2575

13,400 posts

218 months

Wednesday 4th November 2015
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PurpleMoonlight said:
julian64 said:
She stayed with him for 25 years, bought up his child. Forget what help she may have been in the family business.

You really think that means she was just a freeloader.

You are alf garnet and I claim my £5.
Did anyone force her to stay? Was it not her child too and did he play no part?

If people what the financial benefits of a marriage then they should get married. There are far to many people, women mostly, trying to argue for a financial settlement where no 'contract' exists.
You really are priceless.

I have no idea what circumstances have lead you to view the world in such a distorted way.



TwigtheWonderkid

49,171 posts

180 months

Wednesday 4th November 2015
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Bloody women. They turn up, move in, have your child, sacrifice their own career to bring it up, and then a quarter of a century later, so basically the first chance they get, they bugger off, and then have the nerve to expect a share of the accumulated wealth.
rolleyes

JustinP1

13,363 posts

260 months

Wednesday 4th November 2015
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I bet that scrounger got maternity pay from their business too!


Edited by JustinP1 on Wednesday 4th November 16:33

Drumroll

4,549 posts

150 months

Wednesday 4th November 2015
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I suggest the OP reads the whole article. (even if it is in the Daily Fail) I think the courts have actually acted quite leniently.

PurpleMoonlight

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22,362 posts

187 months

Wednesday 4th November 2015
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Bloody women. They turn up, move in, have your child, sacrifice their own career to bring it up, and then a quarter of a century later, so basically the first chance they get, they bugger off, and then have the nerve to expect a share of the accumulated wealth.
rolleyes
Indeed, women are full of sacrifices at someone elses expense.

spin

PurpleMoonlight

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Wednesday 4th November 2015
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Drumroll said:
I suggest the OP reads the whole article. (even if it is in the Daily Fail) I think the courts have actually acted quite leniently.
I did, did you?

The Court originally awarded her more.

He appealed and then did a deal during the hearing which the Judge consented to.

longblackcoat

5,047 posts

213 months

Wednesday 4th November 2015
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Absolutely.

They weren't married.

She was not a joint owner of the property and did not contribute financially to it.

She was not an owner of the business, she was just a paid employee.
Did you bother to read the article? The judge disagrees with you and finds that she was not just an employee and that as a part-owner she's entitled to share in what was purchased by the profits of the company, namely, property.

Daily Mail said:
Judge Mark Ball had rejected outright the retired lecturer's claim that Ms Woodward had been only a 'lodger' in their home and an 'assistant' in their business.

Mr Ashmore's evidence had been 'untrustworthy, partial and self-serving', the judge told Barnstaple County Court.

'His attempts to belittle all or any contribution by Ms Woodward are easily dismissed by what I find to be his quite extraordinary attempts to keep for himself the fruits of what were clearly joint efforts over a number of years,' he added.


DS197

992 posts

136 months

Wednesday 4th November 2015
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Who knew being an art lecturer is a real job. But what really grinds my gears is how they mentioned he drives a jag. Why does it fking matter what he drives? Knobs

PurpleMoonlight

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Wednesday 4th November 2015
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longblackcoat said:
Did you bother to read the article? The judge disagrees with you and finds that she was not just an employee and that as a part-owner she's entitled to share in what was purchased by the profits of the company, namely, property.

Daily Mail said:
Judge Mark Ball had rejected outright the retired lecturer's claim that Ms Woodward had been only a 'lodger' in their home and an 'assistant' in their business.

Mr Ashmore's evidence had been 'untrustworthy, partial and self-serving', the judge told Barnstaple County Court.

'His attempts to belittle all or any contribution by Ms Woodward are easily dismissed by what I find to be his quite extraordinary attempts to keep for himself the fruits of what were clearly joint efforts over a number of years,' he added.
Yes the Judge rejected what were possibly facts. The article doesn't say if the business was Ltd, Partnership or sole trader. If the former proof would have been easy to provide so it was either Ltd with him the 100% shareholder or sole trader. So the Judge considered the business a joint effort. That doesn't mean it lawfully was.

otolith

69,344 posts

234 months

Wednesday 4th November 2015
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Who knew it was such a lucrative job?

longblackcoat

5,047 posts

213 months

Wednesday 4th November 2015
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Yes the Judge rejected what were possibly facts. The article doesn't say if the business was Ltd, Partnership or sole trader. If the former proof would have been easy to provide so it was either Ltd with him the 100% shareholder or sole trader. So the Judge considered the business a joint effort. That doesn't mean it lawfully was.
Did the business provide profits to fund the house purchases? And did she provide more than just a 'paid employee' input?

If so, the judge has quite rightly taken the view that the legal standing of the company/partnership etc is of no relevance, and that she's entitled to a share.

Up to you whether you accept this point of view, but I note that your views have zero support on this thread. Given this is PH, where such threads normally attract "snakes with tits" comments, that's some sort of record.

PurpleMoonlight

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Wednesday 4th November 2015
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longblackcoat said:
If so, the judge has quite rightly taken the view that the legal standing of the company/partnership etc is of no relevance, and that she's entitled to a share.
Agreed IF they were married but they were NOT.

Is it for a judge to retrospectively convert a legal employee status to that of a business owner to facilitate a ex partners financial claim?