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There is a car park opposite where I live with an abandoned Alfa 156. It has been there the whole time I have lived there & never seen anybody go near it, the rust on the brakes, spider webs, year old tax & other signs indicate it has been there for some time. Don't want to mention it to the council as it makes a good spot to park next to & not have my doors dinked.
My question is, how can I go about claiming this, want it to restore & work on as a hobby but not sure what the law states about claiming it or how I can do it.
My question is, how can I go about claiming this, want it to restore & work on as a hobby but not sure what the law states about claiming it or how I can do it.
Becoming the registered keeper is fairly easy. Fill in a V62, send it back to DVLA and wait. They should try to contact the previous RK before issuing a new V5C - at which point you become liable for having an untaxed, untested and probably uninsured car parked in a publicly accessible place.
Becoming the owner, however, is a whole other matter.
(I'd start by checking the MOT history site, DVLA database and askmid to find out when the car was last tested and taxed and whether it's currently insured or not).
Becoming the owner, however, is a whole other matter.
(I'd start by checking the MOT history site, DVLA database and askmid to find out when the car was last tested and taxed and whether it's currently insured or not).
marshalla said:
Becoming the registered keeper is fairly easy. Fill in a V62, send it back to DVLA and wait. They should try to contact the previous RK before issuing a new V5C - at which point you become liable for having an untaxed, untested and probably uninsured car parked in a publicly accessible place.
Becoming the owner, however, is a whole other matter.
(I'd start by checking the MOT history site, DVLA database and askmid to find out when the car was last tested and taxed and whether it's currently insured or not).
Well the car park isn't attended as there are no tickets & it's in such a state that it'd have been removed by now. Becoming the owner, however, is a whole other matter.
(I'd start by checking the MOT history site, DVLA database and askmid to find out when the car was last tested and taxed and whether it's currently insured or not).
Planning to become the owner, SORN it & work to restore it, the body still looks in good condition as does the interior, minus the spiders.
bobski1 said:
Planning to become the owner
It's very tricky to become the legal owner, rather than just the registered keeper.By all means become the keeper, and spend your money and time restoring it, but you will always have a risk of the actual owner popping up and saying "You've nicked my car!"...
For something relatively prosaic like a 156, I'd be regarding it as a lot easier to just find another one...
TooMany2cvs said:
For something relatively prosaic like a 156, I'd be regarding it as a lot easier to just find another one...
ThisIf you really want to claim it then leave a note on the windscreen and see if the owner responds. It may well not be abandoned, but stuck where it is due to ill health, loss of license or many other reasons.
If you can get the reg and the chassis number you might be able to find a friendly MOT centre to look up where it was last MOT'd and contact them for info. Don't know whether this is possible still though
There is a really nice alfa gt parked round the corner from me that has never moved in the time I've been there.
It's filthy dirty and looks to be abandoned. Just last weekend it had a window put in and the local scum bags have had a rummage around inside it.
Shame, as it's a stunning car.
It's filthy dirty and looks to be abandoned. Just last weekend it had a window put in and the local scum bags have had a rummage around inside it.
Shame, as it's a stunning car.
Amateurish said:
Wouldn't this be fraudulent? The OP has no claim which would allow him to become registered keeper.
Yes and no, all you are doing is saying you are the registered keeper, not the owner.You need to pay the DVLA for the owners details, then at minimum make a proper attempt at getting in touch with the owner.
Batfink said:
Amateurish said:
Wouldn't this be fraudulent? The OP has no claim which would allow him to become registered keeper.
Yes and no, all you are doing is saying you are the registered keeper, not the owner.You need to pay the DVLA for the owners details, then at minimum make a proper attempt at getting in touch with the owner.
Indeed. That would not be law, that would be anarchy. Finders are not keepers, except in some instances to do with ancient treasure, and in the law of marine salvage.
OP, there is no way that you can become the owner of the car, other than by agreement with whomever owns it*. There is no sure way of finding out who that is, because there is no national register of car ownership.
156s are cheap to buy. Buy one.
* There might be a convoluted way, if whomever owns the car park takes steps under the T(IWG)A 1977 to sell the car, but for all you know the car may be parked in a spot that the car's owner owns.
OP, there is no way that you can become the owner of the car, other than by agreement with whomever owns it*. There is no sure way of finding out who that is, because there is no national register of car ownership.
156s are cheap to buy. Buy one.
* There might be a convoluted way, if whomever owns the car park takes steps under the T(IWG)A 1977 to sell the car, but for all you know the car may be parked in a spot that the car's owner owns.
- is that quadruple pedantic?Breadvan72 said:
Indeed. That would not be law, that would be anarchy. Finders are not keepers, except in some instances to do with ancient treasure, and in the law of marine salvage.
There's your answer OP: Ancient it may be, but 'treasure' is harder to substantiate. So you need to punt the Alfa into the Solent and you can then claim it. Might wash the spiders out too! If anyone questions you, tell them a Barista told you it was OK.
Breadvan72 said:
Indeed. That would not be law, that would be anarchy. Finders are not keepers, except in some instances to do with ancient treasure, and in the law of marine salvage.
So, you're saying that if he becomes a Freeman On The Land he can claim it since only marine law applies to them ?Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff