Are the police allowed to use Bus/Taxi lanes?
Are the police allowed to use Bus/Taxi lanes?
Author
Discussion

a7x88

Original Poster:

795 posts

178 months

Friday 4th December 2015
quotequote all
Just interested really. I imagine on Blues and Twos anything goes.

What made me wonder though. I was queueing at some traffic lights with a separate bus lane - beat car drove straight down the bus lane and waited at the red light (so no emergency) - also didn't have lights/siren going.

This isn't a dig - I genuinely don't care/don't see why they couldn't as for example near me it makes for a much more direct route into central town etc so would save wasting time going round the houses to get to a non urgent enquiry. Just genuine curiosity.....

Mojooo

13,291 posts

210 months

Friday 4th December 2015
quotequote all
Down my way we have a bus lane that is only for buses (as in its a road that is totally seperate from all other roads and cars have no business being near it) - and the Police use it as a cut through when not on sirens - so i'd say yea.

Derek Smith

49,949 posts

278 months

Friday 4th December 2015
quotequote all
a7x88 said:
Just interested really. I imagine on Blues and Twos anything goes.

What made me wonder though. I was queueing at some traffic lights with a separate bus lane - beat car drove straight down the bus lane and waited at the red light (so no emergency) - also didn't have lights/siren going.

This isn't a dig - I genuinely don't care/don't see why they couldn't as for example near me it makes for a much more direct route into central town etc so would save wasting time going round the houses to get to a non urgent enquiry. Just genuine curiosity.....
Many police drivers, or at least the drivers of police cars, are not allowed to use blues/twos and more are not allowed to exceed speed limits. Yet they might still be required to attend a call where early attendance is required.


Foliage

3,861 posts

152 months

Friday 4th December 2015
quotequote all
Yes

a7x88

Original Poster:

795 posts

178 months

Friday 4th December 2015
quotequote all
cool - thamks smile Satisfied my curiosity

CS Garth

2,873 posts

135 months

Friday 4th December 2015
quotequote all
I've never understood bus lanes - why do poor people need to get there faster?

Ki3r

8,901 posts

189 months

Friday 4th December 2015
quotequote all
CS Garth said:
I've never understood bus lanes - why do poor people need to get there faster?
Have you seen how expensive it is to use a bus?!

anonymous-user

84 months

Friday 4th December 2015
quotequote all
CS Garth said:
I've never understood bus lanes - why do poor people need to get there faster?
I think its more about getting 50/60/70 people there quicker than 1 person in a car.

aw51 121565

4,773 posts

263 months

Friday 4th December 2015
quotequote all
Why have bus lanes?

Pour encourager les autres à utiliser les transports publics wink .

ps I strongly disagree with them...

Impasse

15,099 posts

271 months

Saturday 5th December 2015
quotequote all
CaptainMorgan said:
I think its more about getting 50/60/70 people there quicker than 1 person in a car.
To move that many people usually requires 5/6/7 buses in quick succession.

JumboBeef

3,772 posts

207 months

Saturday 5th December 2015
quotequote all
To answer the op.

Different areas have different rules. For example, for ambulance, in Exeter you can only use them with a patient on board, with or without lights, but in Bristol you can use them all the time.


Negative Creep

26,115 posts

257 months

Saturday 5th December 2015
quotequote all
CaptainMorgan said:
CS Garth said:
I've never understood bus lanes - why do poor people need to get there faster?
I think its more about getting 50/60/70 people there quicker than 1 person in a car.
Or around these parts, allow minicabbers to get back to the depot quicker

4rephill

5,171 posts

208 months

Saturday 5th December 2015
quotequote all
CaptainMorgan said:
CS Garth said:
I've never understood bus lanes - why do poor people need to get there faster?
I think its more about getting 50/60/70 people there quicker than 1 person in a car.
Where I live, the bus lanes are designed to get the bus ahead of the traffic going into the city (with their 0~10 passengers on board depending on the time of day [50/60/70 people ssyyeah right - If you live in London! ] ), and then slow down and back up the hundreds of people trying to get into the city in their cars by driving at 10~20mph and stopping every 500 yards at stops where there are no passengers wanting to get on or off the bus!

And if you think I'm joking or making it up, the council admitted that that was their plan when they installed the bus lanes, in a bid to "encourage" (for "encourage" read: "bully" ) people to stop using their cars and use the buses instead.

They stated that they were hoping that by making the city "car unfriendly" (as they described it), everyone would use the park and ride system instead of driving into the city.

So what has actually happened with this plan?

The traffic got slowed right down and backed up creating jams everywhere, as the council wanted - But:

Hardly anybody decided to ditch their cars for the buses, the park and ride scheme eventually got dropped because it wasn't financially viable as too few people used it and we were left with having to give way to empty buses and sit in artificially created traffic jams!

To be fair to the Police round our way, unless their on an emergency call, they sit in the crappy traffic along with everyone else, but TBH, I think I'd actually be happier if they used the bus lanes to get on with their working day rather than just sitting in traffic waiting to move!

It might annoy some, but I'm sure plenty of others are equally annoyed how much work time the Police loose whilst sitting in traffic going nowhere.


battered

4,088 posts

177 months

Saturday 5th December 2015
quotequote all
The Police are not actually exempt from any road laws. When they have an emergency run then they have a "tolerance" to break some laws, like use the hard shoulder as a carriageway, break speed limits (by up to 20mph) etc.

I met someone once who in his job as a policeman had received a call to say there was a pub fight and some officers needed assistance at the scene. He was on the M25 and gave it loads to get there - 90 mph, use of the hard shoulder as they approached the slip road, etc. He got pulled over by a Black Rat who ticketed him. He explained the situation, TrafPlod was having none of it, it went to court. Only with the use of the Police Federation and explanation of the extenuating circumstances was it thrown out.

On a more sensible level, if it's not an emergency run then they obey limits etc. Also if it's excessive then "a word" is had. I know of a case where the Chief Fire Officer of a county was called to a fire. In his official car (no livery, blue lights in the grille) he went past a speed camera at 140mph on the A1. This resulted in a call from the Chief Constable of the county in question calling him and saying "Listen, an emergency is an emergency but we all know that 140mph is excessive. Now on this occasion we will keep this within the emergency services but you may consider your card marked". Quite right too.

BertBert

21,299 posts

241 months

Saturday 5th December 2015
quotequote all
Ah a bloke in a pub told me rolleyes

Derek Smith

49,949 posts

278 months

Saturday 5th December 2015
quotequote all
battered said:
The Police are not actually exempt from any road laws. When they have an emergency run then they have a "tolerance" to break some laws, like use the hard shoulder as a carriageway, break speed limits (by up to 20mph) etc.
I think you will find that the police are exempt from speed limits.




JumboBeef

3,772 posts

207 months

Saturday 5th December 2015
quotequote all
battered said:
The Police are not actually exempt from any road laws. When they have an emergency run then they have a "tolerance" to break some laws, like use the hard shoulder as a carriageway, break speed limits (by up to 20mph) etc.

I met someone once who in his job as a policeman had received a call to say there was a pub fight and some officers needed assistance at the scene. He was on the M25 and gave it loads to get there - 90 mph, use of the hard shoulder as they approached the slip road, etc. He got pulled over by a Black Rat who ticketed him. He explained the situation, TrafPlod was having none of it, it went to court. Only with the use of the Police Federation and explanation of the extenuating circumstances was it thrown out.

On a more sensible level, if it's not an emergency run then they obey limits etc. Also if it's excessive then "a word" is had. I know of a case where the Chief Fire Officer of a county was called to a fire. In his official car (no livery, blue lights in the grille) he went past a speed camera at 140mph on the A1. This resulted in a call from the Chief Constable of the county in question calling him and saying "Listen, an emergency is an emergency but we all know that 140mph is excessive. Now on this occasion we will keep this within the emergency services but you may consider your card marked". Quite right too.
From an ambulance point if view, that is all incorrect. Of course emergency services can claim exemptions from the road traffic act.

You don't have to be on an emergency to claim exemptions. For example, you could be taking Doris to her hospital appointment and claim exemption to parking restrictions, ie: yellow lines when picking her up.

There are a whole raft of things you can claim exemptions from, some only in an emergency, others at other times.

Re: speed. I suggest you read the sticky about exemptions at the top of this forum. If I claim an exemption to the speed limit, I can travel at any speed I feel is appropriate. However, I cannot claim exemption from dangerous driving, so no 100mph outside a school.

Was 140mph on a clear road with good visibility (making assumptions here) with blues on and and with an advanced driver dangerous? I feel not. I would have told the Chief Constable exactly this, not doffed my hat and averted my eyes while apologising. I have personally (at work) passed traffic police at a fair wack on the motorway and they, quiter rightly, have not bothered me.

There may be of course a local policy stating you may only do x % over the top, this however is not law and just a policy with your employer.

Police of course may be different (but I bet they aren't).

Bigends

6,192 posts

158 months

Saturday 5th December 2015
quotequote all
This from last year. No black and white answer.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hundreds-poli...

14-7

6,233 posts

221 months

Saturday 5th December 2015
quotequote all
battered said:
The Police are not actually exempt from any road laws. When they have an emergency run then they have a "tolerance" to break some laws, like use the hard shoulder as a carriageway, break speed limits (by up to 20mph) etc.

I met someone once who in his job as a policeman had received a call to say there was a pub fight and some officers needed assistance at the scene. He was on the M25 and gave it loads to get there - 90 mph, use of the hard shoulder as they approached the slip road, etc. He got pulled over by a Black Rat who ticketed him. He explained the situation, TrafPlod was having none of it, it went to court. Only with the use of the Police Federation and explanation of the extenuating circumstances was it thrown out.

On a more sensible level, if it's not an emergency run then they obey limits etc. Also if it's excessive then "a word" is had. I know of a case where the Chief Fire Officer of a county was called to a fire. In his official car (no livery, blue lights in the grille) he went past a speed camera at 140mph on the A1. This resulted in a call from the Chief Constable of the county in question calling him and saying "Listen, an emergency is an emergency but we all know that 140mph is excessive. Now on this occasion we will keep this within the emergency services but you may consider your card marked". Quite right too.
Presumably all heard down at the pub rolleyes

Police have exemptions from speed limits, red lights and keep left/right arrows written in to law when he vehicle is being used for police purposes.

Baryonyx

18,291 posts

189 months

Saturday 5th December 2015
quotequote all
Bigends said:
This from last year. No black and white answer.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hundreds-poli...
It depends on the local authority. My local council have approved both marked and unmarked police vehicles to use bus and no car lanes. Tickets generated from enforcement cameras are not progressed. The council obviously know that to be as effective as possible, the police need to be as mobile as possible.