Mitigating curcamstances - Attatch a letter & Picture?

[cptsideways]

Just filling out the naughty boy form for a visit to the mags next week. Is it sensible or allowed to attach a letter and a picture to the mitigating circumstances section?

[Retroman]

cptsideways said:

Just filling out the naughty boy form for a visit to the mags next week. Is it sensible or allowed to attach a letter and a picture to the mitigating circumstances section?

Are you pleading guilty to an offence?
If so, it would be better to attend in person to put forward your plea for mitigating circumstances. Even at that, the mitigating circumstances would need to be quite convincing as a lot of the time they're feeble and make no difference.

[cptsideways]

Will be attending in person, a picture speaks a thousand words as they say. 30 limit that used to be NSL Dual Carriageway (and looks it) I missed 1 sign.

[hman]

I dont think it will make any difference, ignorance is no excuse. (as far as the law is concerned)

[cptsideways]

hman said:

I dont think it will make any difference, ignorance is no excuse. (as far as the law is concerned)

One would wish, intellect & knowledge of the road design type might be considered against missing a road sign suggesting otherwise! But hey ho

No I will not be using this in court!

[marshalla]

cptsideways said:

Will be attending in person, a picture speaks a thousand words as they say. 30 limit that used to be NSL Dual Carriageway (and looks it) I missed 1 sign.

So <devil's advocate> you admit you were driving without due care and attention ? </devil's advocate>

[Devil2575]

I'm guessing by his username that his car was probably not pointing straight at the time so it will have been easy to miss one sign...

[cptsideways]

Devil2575 said:

I'm guessing by his username that his car was probably not pointing straight at the time so it will have been easy to miss one sign...

I was in a 62bhp Automatic Diesel Lupo at the time!

[xjay1337]

cptsideways said:

I was in a 62bhp Automatic Diesel Lupo at the time!

Is that even capable of speeding?

[cptsideways]

xjay1337 said:

cptsideways said:

I was in a 62bhp Automatic Diesel Lupo at the time!

Is that even capable of speeding?

I did wonder But yes in reality its quite zippy, honestly! I shall be pinning a copy of the summons to the bog wall to prove it.

[cptsideways]

In fact you will wonder even more as this is it on the day in question, with all my windsurf gear on the roof

[HantsRat]

Post the photo here.

[speedking31]

Was it literally one sign? i.e. there wasn't a sign on each side of the carriageway, in which case an incorrect signage defence might fly.

[cptsideways]

speedking31 said:

Was it literally one sign? i.e. there wasn't a sign on each side of the carriageway, in which case an incorrect signage defence might fly.

There are two small'ish signs when coming from the 40 limit, but the road is 3 lanes wide at this point.

I missed these signs from 40 to 30 and assumed the change was upwards at the DC ahead. I am heading eastbound. I got pinged on the DC 500 yards ahead.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Taunton,+Somer...

[xjay1337]

While I agree the speed limit is BS on there. You passed a 30 sign which is clearly marked unfortunately.

[Vaud]

cptsideways said:

There are two small'ish signs when coming from the 40 limit, but the road is 3 lanes wide at this point.

I missed these signs from 40 to 30 and assumed the change was upwards at the DC ahead. I am heading eastbound. I got pinged on the DC 500 yards ahead.

Was it in this direction? In which case you missed the one on the road as well...

Poor / no chance mitigation in my view.

[Squiggs]

cptsideways said:

There are two small'ish signs when coming from the 40 limit, but the road is 3 lanes wide at this point.

I missed these signs from 40 to 30 and assumed the change was upwards at the DC ahead. I am heading eastbound. I got pinged on the DC 500 yards ahead.

And right there is where you went wrong!
You can't miss something and then assume something else - like you can't miss a shops opening hours when it's closed and then smash the door down assuming it was open .... it just won't wash.

And it's not a DC ahead as there are no crash barriers in the central reservation.

Edited by Squiggs on Thursday 10th December 14:04

Edited by Squiggs on Thursday 10th December 14:07

[marshalla]

Squiggs said:

And right there is where you went wrong!
You can't miss something and then assume something else - like you can't miss a shops opening hours when it's closed and then smash the door down assuming it was open .... it just won't wash.

Right - and, as I hinted above, trying to mitigate by saying "I didn't see it" sounds like an admission of something more serious than speeding.

Squiggs said:

And it's not a DC ahead as there are no crash barriers in the central reservation.

Wrong. Barriers are not required. A central reservation is quite sufficient. (see https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/gener... between 136 and 137)

[cptsideways]

I am admitting defeat & going guilty, I knew just how fast I was going. What I'm getting at is:


Is there any plea in mitigation that is was a DC not a built up town center. Is what I'm getting at!

PS: A DC does not need crash barriers to be a DC, it just needs a dividing area between the two carriageways, which it has

[Hammerhead]

I got zapped on the very same bit of road back in 2011, the sign-age back then was terrible but a sign was there. Think you'll have to take it on the chin. Points don't make prizes, alas.