Speed awareness course - inform insurance at renewal?
Speed awareness course - inform insurance at renewal?
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Lucas CAV

Original Poster:

3,068 posts

249 months

Thursday 24th December 2015
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Does the taking of a course mean that you "don't" have a conviction/black mark/sp30 etc?

I am trying to obtain quotes via various online calculators such as Confused and there's no option for Speed awareness course - just convictions/codes/dates etc

Rick101

7,190 posts

180 months

Thursday 24th December 2015
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Don't ask, don't tell.


Simples.

SS2.

14,712 posts

268 months

Thursday 24th December 2015
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AFAIK, it's only Admiral, Bell, Diamond & Elephant that ask about attendance on speed awareness courses.

bearman68

4,941 posts

162 months

Thursday 24th December 2015
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So do you have points or not? Don't lie on the form.

They are presumably not the slightest bit interested in SA course.

Lucas CAV

Original Poster:

3,068 posts

249 months

Thursday 24th December 2015
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Cheers - that's what I thought

EU_Foreigner

2,838 posts

256 months

Thursday 24th December 2015
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On my Admiral renewal it was one of the first things they asked - points, pending convictions and if I had attended any SACs.

Starfighter

5,351 posts

208 months

Thursday 24th December 2015
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EU_Foreigner said:
On my Admiral renewal it was one of the first things they asked - points, pending convictions and if I had attended any SACs.
What's the legal situation with "pending convictions"? Principle of common law is innocent until proven guilty so are you obliged to declare and would you get refunded in the cases of a not guilty?

youngsyr

14,742 posts

222 months

Friday 25th December 2015
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Starfighter said:
EU_Foreigner said:
On my Admiral renewal it was one of the first things they asked - points, pending convictions and if I had attended any SACs.
What's the legal situation with "pending convictions"? Principle of common law is innocent until proven guilty so are you obliged to declare and would you get refunded in the cases of a not guilty?
As it 's a private contract I imagine you're well within your rights to refuse to answer the question and they're well within their rights to refuse to insure you.

Buff Mchugelarge

3,316 posts

180 months

Friday 25th December 2015
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One insurer ( don't recall which one) asked if I had a been on a a SAC in the last three years, when I answered yes it put my premium up a bit.
I understand it's all about risk but the reason I took the course was to avoid points and a hike in premiums. Seems they still make it up as they go along. rolleyes

Pete317

1,430 posts

252 months

Friday 25th December 2015
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Buff Mchugelarge said:
One insurer ( don't recall which one) asked if I had a been on a a SAC in the last three years, when I answered yes it put my premium up a bit.
I understand it's all about risk but the reason I took the course was to avoid points and a hike in premiums. Seems they still make it up as they go along. rolleyes
They probably see you as being a bigger risk to them, because you're more likely to be found to be at fault in any collision you might have, simply because you're more likely to be breaking the law.

I know it's a very tenuous connection, but it's there.

KungFuPanda

4,643 posts

200 months

Friday 25th December 2015
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Don't tell them. Maintain the lie and they'll never find out.

youngsyr

14,742 posts

222 months

Friday 25th December 2015
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KungFuPanda said:
Don't tell them. Maintain the lie and they'll never find out.
Bit of a risk - they may never find out, but If they do, it could land you in very big trouble.

carreauchompeur

18,328 posts

234 months

Friday 25th December 2015
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youngsyr said:
KungFuPanda said:
Don't tell them. Maintain the lie and they'll never find out.
Bit of a risk - they may never find out, but If they do, it could land you in very big trouble.
Big, big risk. Get involved in a fatal where they stand to lose a fair bit and you can be royally shafted. Airtight, possibly.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

207 months

Friday 25th December 2015
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carreauchompeur said:
Big, big risk. Get involved in a fatal where they stand to lose a fair bit and you can be royally shafted. Airtight, possibly.
Fatalities are cheaper than serious injuries.

Unlikely any insurer could claim that the SAC would have been the difference between insuring you and not.

Reality is that they can't check. However, I'm not convinced that confused.com doesn't have an SAC option as it's owned by Admiral group who are the only insurer who care about SACs.

richs2891

906 posts

283 months

Friday 25th December 2015
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SS2. said:
AFAIK, it's only Admiral, Bell, Diamond & Elephant that ask about attendance on speed awareness courses.
Seems a good enough reason to avoid using them then.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

207 months

Friday 25th December 2015
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richs2891 said:
Seems a good enough reason to avoid using them then.
Why? Would you ignore them if they were the cheapest?

carreauchompeur

18,328 posts

234 months

Friday 25th December 2015
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Admiral Group have been the cheapest for me by a good 30-50 per cent for years. Guess it may just be my risk rating or something but it wouldn't make sense for me to avoid them...

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

184 months

Friday 25th December 2015
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LoonR1 said:
Why? Would you ignore them if they were the cheapest?
Yes I would out of principle.
(Yes at any price,before you say it).

LoonR1

26,988 posts

207 months

Friday 25th December 2015
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Funkycoldribena said:
Yes I would out of principle.
(Yes at any price,before you say it).
Did your face feel spited too?

BertBert

21,299 posts

241 months

Saturday 26th December 2015
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I've got 4 family cars with admiral at the moment and over the years I've had good service from them and elephant.

They are very cost effective, good customer service and processed a claim well and even sorted out some issues with the repairer.

I'm not fussed about the cars so it all works well. Where I have specific needs on the mid special cars they get specialist insurance.

Bert