Defensive Driving Clues...
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Double Play

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70 posts

280 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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Guys,

I tend to think I am a defensive, alert and considerate driver (especially when the fiancee is in the car ), but I do drive quickly when I see an open straight motorway and generally hit 85 to 90 mph when required but I leave at least 50m to the car in front, which does leave me open to the w*nkers who move in front as I close the gap. I also look at least 100m in front of my car.

I slow when the conditions require it, i.e. other cars, rain, fog, snow on motorways; cyclists and horses on the roads always get a wide berth. I always slow to 20mph when I go past a parked bus and in school areas during drop-them-off-and-pick-them-up-times.

I find it hard at dawn and dusk and so wear my spectacles (even though the prescription is very low -0.5 in both eyes) at these times.

I drive in excess of 40k per year, mostly on motorways.

Anyone got any (possibly hard-learnt clues) as to what I can do to make myself a better driver?

Don

28,378 posts

314 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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Well. I hope your estimates for how far you look ahead are low/wrong - I suspect they are. I suspect you look much further ahead than that and plan using the information too.

I try to scan from bonnet to horizon, horizon to bonnet, left to right, right to left, bonnet to horizon - kind of thing.

If you really want to improve your driving (the first sign of a good driver!) then buy a copy of "Roadcraft", read it and start trying to use the information in it. If you want help doing this you could join the IAM or Rospa's Advanced Drivers Association - they are identical.

Another good book is Paul Ripley's Expert Driving.

For an enthusuast they make great bedtime reading and putting the contents into practice will definitely improve anyone's driving...

Good luck.

Dwight VanDriver

6,583 posts

274 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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One scan you forgot to mention Don........ rear mirror.

Horizon.....down to foreground.....rear mirror......horizon....

Just as important to be fully aware of the movement andf position of vehicles to the rear as to the front. More so these days as by God they come up fast.

DVD

Flat in Fifth

48,776 posts

281 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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The way I ask people to visualise the scanning is like the arm and leg actions when swimming breast stroke.

Push out to the horizon equals scanning up to the horizon,
pulling back on hands out to the sides equals expanding vision out to each side as you scan back to the vehicle,
hands up and into to the body equals instrument checks,
leg kick equals mirrors, interior and both sides.

Then you do it all again and again.

>> Edited by Flat in Fifth on Wednesday 16th February 09:39

Davel

8,982 posts

288 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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Get 9 points on your license quickly!

Works for most people......




and no I haven't got 9 points!

Don

28,378 posts

314 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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Dwight VanDriver said:
One scan you forgot to mention Don........ rear mirror.

Horizon.....down to foreground.....rear mirror......horizon....

Just as important to be fully aware of the movement andf position of vehicles to the rear as to the front. More so these days as by God they come up fast.

DVD


Quite right DVD. I bounce around the mirrors just as you say....building up a 360 degree 3D "plan" of everything around me as well as I can manage...

towman

14,938 posts

269 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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In the truck, scanning as follows....

Front
N/S Mirror
Front
O/S Mirror
Front
Instruments
Front

You soon get into the habit. The greatest "danger" in a truck is from behind, hence he constant use of mirrors.

Munta

304 posts

279 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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Drive at exactly the speed limit regardless of conditions. You only have accidents (at least those that matter) when travelling 1 mph or more above the limit.

GreenV8S

31,018 posts

314 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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Keep track of your 'escape' options. For example, on a motorway keep an eye on spaces and closing speeds on adjacent lanes so you know without having to think about it, whether you have an option to swerve to either side or brake hard. These options will come and go as traffic moves around you so your escape options might switch between 'accelerate and cut in front' to 'brake and pull out behind' as traffic passes you.

If you don't already know what your options are when the crisis happens, you can accidentally cut them off eg by braking when your best option would have been to accelerate into a gap beside you.

Similarly in built up areas, what options do you have to avoid somebody if they pulled out of that side street etc.

If the number of escape options open to you is less than one, then you should be concerned and try to do something about it.

Fat Audi 80

2,403 posts

281 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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I tend to find myself "scanning" at different speeds depending on the information available. If there is a lot happening I will flick my eyes around the horizon and back to the car fairly quickly. But if the information level it a lot lower, maybe a deserted motorway I will "build up" and mental picture of what is going on with slower sweeps and add information to it as required. If that makes sense....

SimonHarrod911

6,792 posts

262 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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I used to think of myself as a good driver. These days I just spend all of my time staring at the speedo whilst ensuring that I don't eat an apple. I ran over a dog last week!

LongQ

13,864 posts

263 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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Roadcraft, Chapter 3

Has all the generic indicators I can think of though there may be localised specifics that would extend some of the points outlined.

Reflections in shop windows and the like together with the movement of people or vehicles in response to as ye unseen traffic are vital in an urban environment IMHO.

On motorways - ALWAYS be aware of what is going on at the furtherest distance you can see. If that is not very far either slow and leave extra space or try to find a position that does allow you see further.

Also be VERY aware of what is happening about 5 to 7 vehicles ahead if you are travelling in a typical motorway snake of vehicles. Don't ignore the rest but the sort of distance that we are talking about is you immediate early warning zone if you also want to influence what you know of what is happening behind you.

kenp

654 posts

278 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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When waiting to turn right across oncoming traffic, keep your front wheels pointing forward (ie do NOT apply any lock) until you pull away. In this case if some idiot runs into the back of you, you are less likely to be shunted into oncoming traffic.

iaint

10,040 posts

268 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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Don said:

Dwight VanDriver said:
One scan you forgot to mention Don........ rear mirror.

Horizon.....down to foreground.....rear mirror......horizon....

Just as important to be fully aware of the movement andf position of vehicles to the rear as to the front. More so these days as by God they come up fast.

DVD



Quite right DVD. I bounce around the mirrors just as you say....building up a 360 degree 3D "plan" of everything around me as well as I can manage...


I use my mental picture as a good indicator of the concentration level I'm operating at.

If, when I go to change lanes (for example) my mirror/blindspot check revals a car or bike that I wasn;t expecting to be there I know my concentration is wavering. i.e. I've not been keeping my view of the traffic round me up to date.

Iain

Fat Audi 80

2,403 posts

281 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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iaint said:

Don said:


Dwight VanDriver said:
One scan you forgot to mention Don........ rear mirror.

Horizon.....down to foreground.....rear mirror......horizon....

Just as important to be fully aware of the movement andf position of vehicles to the rear as to the front. More so these days as by God they come up fast.

DVD




Quite right DVD. I bounce around the mirrors just as you say....building up a 360 degree 3D "plan" of everything around me as well as I can manage...



I use my mental picture as a good indicator of the concentration level I'm operating at.

If, when I go to change lanes (for example) my mirror/blindspot check revals a car or bike that I wasn;t expecting to be there I know my concentration is wavering. i.e. I've not been keeping my view of the traffic round me up to date.

Iain


Good point - I find that. Time to wake up and concentrate...

towman

14,938 posts

269 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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When I am on my own and feeling less than 100%, I usually try to do a commentary drive. When you have to physically say what you have seen and the associated potential hazards, it becomes apparent that you are not quite as innatentive as you thought.

Does that make sense?

LongQ

13,864 posts

263 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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towman said:


Does that make sense?


Yes.

Do you actually speak the words?

Presumably anyone observing this will assume you are singing or using a mobile - or have your invisible 'friend' with you ...

Good idea though.

And to add to the list -

Motorways and graded junctions - I always try (given that other vehicles can make it difficult to see) to see if anything that intends to make good progress has joined a junction I have just passed.

(I always assume that if I have just blended in making reasonable progress, anyone I am approaching will not have seen me!)

Cars are not usually too difficult to spot but bikes can play a blinder and be sitting in your smidsy spot before you know it. Bikers recognising the requirements of self preservation will usually let you know they are there in good time or even better just don't sit where they know you are less likely to see them.

Most bikers are pretty good IMO. So I always leave room for them to filter in slow moving queues and endeavour to do the same, where safe, in regular congested traffic. Moving at a more realistic speed I will make room for them to pass on the right as soon as it is practical to do so.

Streetcop

5,907 posts

268 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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off the gas as you pass a juntion, where a car is waiting to emerge.....watch the eyes..!

also..watch the position of the wheels...big clue as to where the vehicle might go...All indicators mean is that the bulb is working..

Flat in Fifth

48,776 posts

281 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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approaching a junction someone from opposite direction waiting to turn right possibly across the front of you. Watch their hands on the wheel, if they start moving and turning wheel probably about to go. Which way are their front wheels pointed? If already turned to the right, if they get punted up the rear they will be pushed into your path.

If someone emerging from left, as SC advises, watch the eyes, also first sign they are about to move is rotation of driven wheels.

henrycrun

2,473 posts

270 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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and always expect the unexpected.....