Dodging a bullet...
Discussion
Mill Wheel said:
Well, what puzzles me is how council officers, and police officers in the Poppy Worthington case can be derelict in their duty... but simply resign, and not face any consequences, while mere mortals like you and me have to face up to whatever wrongdoing we commit!
Could not agree more. A very valid point well made.How is anyone involved criminally and civilly 'safe' through resigning / retiring?
That's what you're proposing with that brilliant analogy.
The only thing removing oneself from an organisation does is remove the possibility of internal misconduct matters being acted upon.
Edited spelling.
That's what you're proposing with that brilliant analogy.
The only thing removing oneself from an organisation does is remove the possibility of internal misconduct matters being acted upon.
Edited spelling.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 21st January 15:16
La Liga said:
Is this one of those topics where the OP says something stupid, has that pointed out to them, and never returns?
No, it's another topic where in order to bolster your ego you attempt to belittle other's posts, and make yourself look an arse. At least Loon's t
ttery has gone.
xjay1337 said:
Not to mention if you resign in a very public battle you are going to be basically unhirable.
That's worse than a jail sentence imo.
Nick Gargan seems to have done quite well for himself!That's worse than a jail sentence imo.
Resigned after being found guilty of misconduct, the PCC said Mr Gargan had been given three months' pay "in lieu of notice as the terms of his contract state" and felt allowing him to resign was the cheapest option.
andymc said:
i summise you've never been to jail then
Well, no. :-)But just think, either get done quietly and come back after what, 18 months tops these days? Come back out and you can just say you were on a career break or decided to do some DIY or travel or any old BS.
Or have your name and bad history plastered across the news for 3 months and then try to get back into a role? No-one would hire you.
It is difficult to form an analogy when members of the public rarely find themselves in situations where they can resign from a post and seemingly avoid facing the consequences of their actions - or lack of actions.
In the Poppy Worthington case, the county council even tried to get a court to have their employees evidence and statements sealed for 15 years.
Locally this case has been in the news constantly since the victim died, and those who should have acted to investigate the death right away do not seem entirely to blame. But allowing the "players" to resign has caused a loss of confidence in the authorities, which will take years to restore.
One of the police officers gave an interview in which he seemed to place the blame at the door of his superiors, implicating the lack of resources. Council employees have done the same, but since everyone seems more interested in covering their arses than in revealing the truth, the risks to other vulnerable parties has not been diminished.
The whole affair has been mismanaged from the very start, but instead of owning up, the affair has been cloaked in secrecy, and it took the actions of several media outlets to force the facts to become public.
It should NOT be the job of the media to carry out this oversight.
Late this evening the IPCC released a statement saying that they would pursue the parties involved, and ensure that if guilty of neglect of duty, they would be prosecuted. It has taken three years to finally get to a point where people will be held accountable.
If only this was the case in all cases!
In the Poppy Worthington case, the county council even tried to get a court to have their employees evidence and statements sealed for 15 years.
Locally this case has been in the news constantly since the victim died, and those who should have acted to investigate the death right away do not seem entirely to blame. But allowing the "players" to resign has caused a loss of confidence in the authorities, which will take years to restore.
One of the police officers gave an interview in which he seemed to place the blame at the door of his superiors, implicating the lack of resources. Council employees have done the same, but since everyone seems more interested in covering their arses than in revealing the truth, the risks to other vulnerable parties has not been diminished.
The whole affair has been mismanaged from the very start, but instead of owning up, the affair has been cloaked in secrecy, and it took the actions of several media outlets to force the facts to become public.
It should NOT be the job of the media to carry out this oversight.
Late this evening the IPCC released a statement saying that they would pursue the parties involved, and ensure that if guilty of neglect of duty, they would be prosecuted. It has taken three years to finally get to a point where people will be held accountable.
If only this was the case in all cases!
3 years isn't an unusual timeline given how many courts and bodies are involved.
Take any private employee who resigns prior to any internal misconduct matter being dealt with. Upon resignation, they are no longer subject to any internal misconduct proceedings because they no longer work for the organisation.
That doesn't preclude them from criminal matters, just as it doesn't for public sector workers.
Mill Wheel said:
It is difficult to form an analogy when members of the public rarely find themselves in situations where they can resign from a post and seemingly avoid facing the consequences of their actions - or lack of actions.
You can't form one because there are no differences to exploit - well not differences on your side. You could highlight how private individuals are unlikely to be subject to the scrutiny of external bodies and the courts, and that they don't have specific criminal offences just for their role (e.g. misconduct in a public office), if you wanted to. Take any private employee who resigns prior to any internal misconduct matter being dealt with. Upon resignation, they are no longer subject to any internal misconduct proceedings because they no longer work for the organisation.
That doesn't preclude them from criminal matters, just as it doesn't for public sector workers.
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