5 minutes on double yellows?
5 minutes on double yellows?
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SkySailing

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511 posts

140 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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Previously I've been told but a PCN officer that I'm allowed 5 mins on double yellows before a fine is issued.

Today i parked on double yellows for 2-3 minutes, and I was given a ticket. I asked that officer about the 5 minute rule and he said its rubbish. Can anyone shed any light? Do I have any grounds for appeal if I've previously been told?

I have a dashcam, so I have proof that I was there for no longer than 5 mins.

Thanks

JumboBeef

3,772 posts

207 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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Have a look in the highway code.....

jesusbuiltmycar

5,135 posts

284 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/waiti...

www.gov.uk said:
Double yellow lines indicate a prohibition of waiting at any time even if there are no upright signs. You MUST NOT wait or park, or stop to set down and pick up passengers, on school entrance markings (see ‘Road markings’) when upright signs indicate a prohibition of stopping.

C70R

17,596 posts

134 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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SkySailing said:
Previously I've been told but a PCN officer that I'm allowed 5 mins on double yellows before a fine is issued.

Today i parked on double yellows for 2-3 minutes, and I was given a ticket. I asked that officer about the 5 minute rule and he said its rubbish. Can anyone shed any light? Do I have any grounds for appeal if I've previously been told?

I have a dashcam, so I have proof that I was there for no longer than 5 mins.

Thanks
Quoting for posterity. Comfortably one of the funniest things I've read this week, particularly the 'dashcam proof' bit.

daytona355

825 posts

229 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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Double yellows mean no parking as far as I'm aware. There are some friendlier wardens who let you get away with a few minutes, there's one or two around here, but it's up to them, and not the law, so get the wrong guy on duty and you are stuffed. Pay up, you're nicked effedtively

RC82

35 posts

171 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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Classic 'not sure if serious'

SkySailing

Original Poster:

511 posts

140 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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It might be worth mentioning that I was delivering for a fast food outlet at the time. Is this classed as loading or unloading?

SkySailing

Original Poster:

511 posts

140 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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C70R said:
Quoting for posterity. Comfortably one of the funniest things I've read this week, particularly the 'dashcam proof' bit.
Glad I could give you a laugh, thanks for the helpful reply smile

agtlaw

7,415 posts

236 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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daytona355 said:
Double yellows mean no parking as far as I'm aware. There are some friendlier wardens who let you get away with a few minutes, there's one or two around here, but it's up to them, and not the law, so get the wrong guy on duty and you are stuffed. Pay up, you're nicked effedtively
Double yellow lines means no waiting. Unless there's a local order (CPZ) or kerb markings then loading / unloading is permitted. There are numerous authorities - collecting a bulky item is permitted but a small item wouldn't be. There's even an authority regarding a chinese meal - not permitted.

anothernameitist

1,500 posts

165 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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SkySailing said:
It might be worth mentioning that I was delivering for a fast food outlet at the time. Is this classed as loading or unloading?
No as food delivery is not what would be considered a commercial activity, in relation to say Yodel or DHL delivering.

Food delivery is for those people too idle to go and collect from a take away or too idle to cook a meal, make sandwiches on a morning etc.

daytona355

825 posts

229 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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agtlaw said:
Double yellow lines means no waiting. Unless there's a local order (CPZ) or kerb markings then loading / unloading is permitted. There are numerous authorities - collecting a bulky item is permitted but a small item wouldn't be. There's even an authority regarding a chinese meal - not permitted.
Ahh, I posted before he mentioned loading/unloading, just thought he was chancing parking... My bad

SkySailing

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511 posts

140 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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Thanks to all the people who gave me helpful replies smile

Seventy

5,500 posts

168 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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SkySailing said:
It might be worth mentioning that I was delivering for a fast food outlet at the time. Is this classed as loading or unloading?
I hope you've got business cover on your insurance……

herewego

8,814 posts

243 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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SkySailing said:
It might be worth mentioning that I was delivering for a fast food outlet at the time. Is this classed as loading or unloading?
It doesn't seem unreasonable to me to be allowed to use yellows for deliveries. I would check with the local authority though. I'm surprised the shop you work for hasn't checked this already.

Seventy

5,500 posts

168 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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herewego said:
It doesn't seem unreasonable to me to be allowed to use yellows for deliveries. I would check with the local authority though. I'm surprised the shop you work for hasn't checked this already.
Single yellows, yes. Double yellows,no.

SkySailing

Original Poster:

511 posts

140 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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Seventy said:
I hope you've got business cover on your insurance……
Yes, mum.

silverfoxcc

8,472 posts

175 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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There is a little known exempyion for stopping on DYL

you can stop on DYL for the purposes of alighting and boarding passengers.This exemption apples even if the car has been left unattended in order to give assistance to a disabled person, vunerable person, or small child, and only if that is the only available place to park.

Pepipoo will give you chapter and verse on this should you ever find yourself done for such an instance

speedchick

5,288 posts

252 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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With regard to DYL, some loading is allowed, but each local authority have different observation times, this is to allow the CEO to see if any loading is taking place, generally a little longer for a commercial vehicle than for a car. But as I say, each authority has differing observation times so where you get 5 mins somewhere, you would get 2 in the next authority area.

If one is to appeal on loading grounds, then you need something 'official' to prove it, like a proper delivery note or something like that.

Monkeylegend

29,453 posts

261 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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Somebody down the pub told me that if you jump out of a 2nd floor window holding an open umbrella you will float gently to the ground.

The hospital have said I will need to use crutches for a couple of weeks at least, before the plaster cast comes off.

blank

3,765 posts

218 months

Wednesday 9th March 2016
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agtlaw said:
daytona355 said:
Double yellows mean no parking as far as I'm aware. There are some friendlier wardens who let you get away with a few minutes, there's one or two around here, but it's up to them, and not the law, so get the wrong guy on duty and you are stuffed. Pay up, you're nicked effedtively
Double yellow lines means no waiting. Unless there's a local order (CPZ) or kerb markings then loading / unloading is permitted. There are numerous authorities - collecting a bulky item is permitted but a small item wouldn't be. There's even an authority regarding a chinese meal - not permitted.
Are these examples freely available? I've wondered for a while as I used to stop on double yellows regularly as a delivery driver. Always assumed it was OK (was delivering heavy/bulky stuff) and never had a ticket.