RCMP Cops , can their morals go any lower ?
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Mr Angry from Canada here.Yesterday in our nearest city Regina (rhymes with fun etc etc) the cops were posing as panhandlers/beggars at a fairly busy set of lights and when drivers waiting at said lights unclipped their belts to grab change from their pockets they were slapped with a $175 fine FFS . I'm all for law and order but this is taking the piss to a whole new level , asked my youngest son (21 good chap) if he'd heard the news and his reply was "yeap bunch of 
s dad" . Great PR Royal Canadian Mounted Police , you really know how to win friends and influence people , top work ya pricks . Rant over but still infuriated 
s dad" . Great PR Royal Canadian Mounted Police , you really know how to win friends and influence people , top work ya pricks . Rant over but still infuriated spookly said:
I'm staggered. That's the kind of thing you'd expect in a banana republic 
Yeah, I'm not quite sure how so many US states ended up with legalised theft by their police.
You can get assets returned, but it will cost you in legal costs/time. As I understand it, they only need a suspicion to be able to take your stuff - not even be charged. Even if they don't charge you or convict you they still keep your stuff/money unless you go through the legal process.
So poor people can effectively be robbed by the police/justice system, and some states are using it to prop up budgets.
It is the most shockingly bad legislation I'm aware of in any modern 'democracy'
You can get assets returned, but it will cost you in legal costs/time. As I understand it, they only need a suspicion to be able to take your stuff - not even be charged. Even if they don't charge you or convict you they still keep your stuff/money unless you go through the legal process.
So poor people can effectively be robbed by the police/justice system, and some states are using it to prop up budgets.
It is the most shockingly bad legislation I'm aware of in any modern 'democracy'
fttm said:
Mr Angry from Canada here.Yesterday in our nearest city Regina (rhymes with fun etc etc) the cops were posing as panhandlers/beggars at a fairly busy set of lights and when drivers waiting at said lights unclipped their belts to grab change from their pockets they were slapped with a $175 fine FFS . I'm all for law and order but this is taking the piss to a whole new level , asked my youngest son (21 good chap) if he'd heard the news and his reply was "yeap bunch of s dad" . Great PR Royal Canadian Mounted Police , you really know how to win friends and influence people , top work ya pricks . Rant over but still infuriated
This is a demonstration of entrapment.s dad" . Great PR Royal Canadian Mounted Police , you really know how to win friends and influence people , top work ya pricks . Rant over but still infuriated Those who misuse the term please note.
Years ago when living in NZ there was a turf war betrween a couple of bikie gangs.A police spokesman made that the comment that there was only one gang in charge and they wore blue uniforms.
Seems like it´s true in the USA.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/1...
Seems like it´s true in the USA.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/1...
wc98 said:
you vote for the clowns that set the rules. you know what to do. the incompetent environmentalist you have at the moment would suggest your fellow citizens are all for this sort of st.
Only reason Just-in Trudeau got elected was because he said he'd legalize weed , bingo couple of million votes from the young ones . Let's not start on him , not good for my blood pressure .t.speedking31 said:
What does Canadian law say about when you have to wear a seat belt, e.g. if stationary with handbrake on, is a seatbelt a legal requirement?
If it is the same as the UK, the definition of driving starts from the start of the journey until its end. So if a law says 'driving' then stationary can include driving.Going back a few years now, but the logical interpretation of driving went by the way after challenges to the drink driving laws. There was one case where a driver was stopped and the challenge to the case against him was that he could not be driving as he had been stopped.
Then there were the attempts to challenge the driving definition by, for instance, parking the car, switching off and getting out of it when challenged by the police. So the definition of driving was just extended.
We have got to the stage in this country where drivers have been prosecuted for stopping at the side of the road, switching off the engine and taking a phone call with a handheld phone.
I would suggest that this case, if challenged in an English/Welsh court, would be challenged on the grounds of entrapment.
It would be nice for it to be kicked out as a pathetic waste of time.
Derek Smith said:
If it is the same as the UK, the definition of driving starts from the start of the journey until its end. So if a law says 'driving' then stationary can include driving.
Going back a few years now, but the logical interpretation of driving went by the way after challenges to the drink driving laws. There was one case where a driver was stopped and the challenge to the case against him was that he could not be driving as he had been stopped.
Then there were the attempts to challenge the driving definition by, for instance, parking the car, switching off and getting out of it when challenged by the police. So the definition of driving was just extended.
We have got to the stage in this country where drivers have been prosecuted for stopping at the side of the road, switching off the engine and taking a phone call with a handheld phone.
I would suggest that this case, if challenged in an English/Welsh court, would be challenged on the grounds of entrapment.
It would be nice for it to be kicked out as a pathetic waste of time.
The met were doing somthing dodgy recently - stopping cars via ANPR in London, detaining drivers regardless of legal wrongdoing then handing them over to debt collectors. Then getting a cut of any civil debt recovered. There wasa thread about this.Going back a few years now, but the logical interpretation of driving went by the way after challenges to the drink driving laws. There was one case where a driver was stopped and the challenge to the case against him was that he could not be driving as he had been stopped.
Then there were the attempts to challenge the driving definition by, for instance, parking the car, switching off and getting out of it when challenged by the police. So the definition of driving was just extended.
We have got to the stage in this country where drivers have been prosecuted for stopping at the side of the road, switching off the engine and taking a phone call with a handheld phone.
I would suggest that this case, if challenged in an English/Welsh court, would be challenged on the grounds of entrapment.
It would be nice for it to be kicked out as a pathetic waste of time.
eldar said:
The met were doing somthing dodgy recently - stopping cars via ANPR in London, detaining drivers regardless of legal wrongdoing then handing them over to debt collectors. Then getting a cut of any civil debt recovered. There wasa thread about this.
Thanks for that. Missed that one.Nuclear Biscuit said:
spookly said:
I'm staggered. That's the kind of thing you'd expect in a banana republic This is a pretty good Police story and a lot closer to home:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshi...
fttm said:
unclipped their belts to grab change from their pockets they were slapped with a $175 fine FFS .
What if you gave them change without unclipping your belt? Would there be anything they could do with the money they get from you?Surely that would be entrapment and therefore entirely illegal. Are there no other crimes happening in Canada now that weed is legal?
Police here could just stand by the side of the road and pick people off for minor infractions like seatbelts, phone use, broken lights etc without tricking someone into breaking the law.
Rostfritt said:
fttm said:
unclipped their belts to grab change from their pockets they were slapped with a $175 fine FFS .
What if you gave them change without unclipping your belt? Would there be anything they could do with the money they get from you?Surely that would be entrapment and therefore entirely illegal. Are there no other crimes happening in Canada now that weed is legal?
Police here could just stand by the side of the road and pick people off for minor infractions like seatbelts, phone use, broken lights etc without tricking someone into breaking the law.
. If you didn't unclip and therefore not commit an offense , no stop, but once you discovered the scam you're free to get your generous donation back from the central RCMP Headquarters . Entrapment all the way , verging on para-military style policing , s. I've sadly been wary of them for a number years ,now my final thread of respect for them has gone . We have a local station where all the keen newbies get posted, bunch of arrogant fkwits they are too .Edited because my spelling was draedful.Edited by fttm on Saturday 11th June 02:38
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