Paying for upkeep of communal area.
Paying for upkeep of communal area.
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KungFuPanda

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4,642 posts

200 months

Sunday 12th June 2016
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My parents own the freehold of a shop and associated flat above the retail unit. It is a parade of 6 shops. They bought the property around 15 years ago. It is now mortgage free. No ground rent is charged and there is no management fees paid to anyone else.

Behind the shops is a communal driveway area. This has fallen into disrepair and works were completed to resurface the majority of the area behind the shops. Before and during this was done, my parent's weren't consulted.

Now they have been presented with a bill for a sixth of the cost of the resurfacing works from a management company who they recognise as representing the landlord of the other units.

Given that they weren't consulted and there is no contact with the landlord of the other units nor any ground rents paid, can this demand for monies be made?

Esceptico

8,897 posts

139 months

Sunday 12th June 2016
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When your parents bought the property were they made aware of any legal obligations they had to maintain the communal area? Presumably in the title deeds or documentation you may find something. If not then not sure on what basis they are being charged unless landlord of the other units is taking a punt in the hope they will.

When we bought a house in Switzerland, in the paperwork was an obligation to pay towards the upkeep of a stream that ran through the property and a couple of years in we received an unwelcome bill for works performed. Nothing we could do against it as it.

paintman

7,860 posts

220 months

Sunday 12th June 2016
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Is there anything in any of the paperwork relevant to their property that makes any mention of liability for area maintenance?

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

186 months

Sunday 12th June 2016
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Check the Title deeds.

If no contract between your parents and the management co then no other way they can be in the hook.

That said, if they are benefitting form the works, why would they not contribute? Presumably this has added to the value of their property to some extent?

Jasandjules

72,622 posts

259 months

Sunday 12th June 2016
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What do the title deeds say about the communal area?

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Sunday 12th June 2016
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KungFuPanda said:
My parents own the freehold of a shop and associated flat above the retail unit. It is a parade of 6 shops. They bought the property around 15 years ago. It is now mortgage free. No ground rent is charged and there is no management fees paid to anyone else.

Behind the shops is a communal driveway area. This has fallen into disrepair and works were completed to resurface the majority of the area behind the shops. Before and during this was done, my parent's weren't consulted.

Now they have been presented with a bill for a sixth of the cost of the resurfacing works from a management company who they recognise as representing the landlord of the other units.

Given that they weren't consulted and there is no contact with the landlord of the other units nor any ground rents paid, can this demand for monies be made?
So this management company represent the leaseholders of the other five units? Is this one leaseholder or five? One lease or five? What does the lease/do the leases say about obligation for maintenance costs?

djohnson

3,685 posts

253 months

Sunday 12th June 2016
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As others have said check the deeds carefully. By way of example I had a property a couple of years back and the management conpany contended that they were entitled to pass full costs on and there was not much I could do about it. However careful reading of the deed revealed that whilst I was obliged to pay the management company for repairs and maintenance there was a cap on what they could recharge and indeed we were able to put the repair and maintenance contract out to tender if we wished. Saved myself a few quid.

ging84

9,548 posts

176 months

Sunday 12th June 2016
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You've said the area has fallen into disrepair, so you presumably not disputing that some work needed doing

What are the actual reasons for wanting to dispute it?
Is it just because it's unexpected and not agreed to, or is there something unreasonable about the bill or how the shares have been divided ?

solo2

1,013 posts

177 months

Sunday 12th June 2016
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I would personally have queried who authorised the works the moment I saw they were going on in what was my property.

Seems a bit late to query it now in that respect.

MJG280

723 posts

289 months

Sunday 12th June 2016
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Get proper legal advice.

Depending upon the Title Deeds/Legislation/Case Law they may
1 Not be liable.
2 Liable but only if the person carrying out the works follows a process. That person may have to provide 3 quotes and a budget for the year to be able to pursue a claim.