Do speed cameras work in the dark?
Do speed cameras work in the dark?
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moose1978

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645 posts

268 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
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Drove past a mobile the other day (one that was being pointed at me). Nothing unusual I hear you say but it was pitch black!! I have only ever seen these things used during the day so do they work?? I would have thought that my headlights would have 'blinded' it from seeing my plate??

....not that I'm worried at all!!!!

driller

8,310 posts

308 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
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Actually I was wondering the same thing. ANybody know?

g_attrill

9,053 posts

276 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
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Yes, in fact they would probably work even better because there is less ambient light (a better quality of return signal). The laser outputs a narrow range of light and the photodiode has an equally narrow filter, therefore all it sees is the light reflected from the target, headlamps being lit etc. don't really make a difference either.

Also the user's manual for the 20:20 says that a number plate only provides a "marginal" benefit due to it's reflectivity. In practice you can get a return from nearly anthing whether it looks reflective or not (even trees).

Gareth


>> Edited by g_attrill on Wednesday 9th March 22:09

MR2Mike

20,143 posts

285 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
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I'm sure someone (cptsideways??) has shown that headlights decrease the range of laser speed detection. After all, headlights have a very high output in the infrared wavelengths, and whilst not modulated in the same way as the speed gun laser, will almost certainly be modulated by vibrating fillaments and the car's body motion etc. and causing a much higher background noise level.

bluepolarbear

1,666 posts

276 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
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The limitations are not generally the laser gun but the optics for taking the video

kevinday

13,836 posts

310 months

Thursday 10th March 2005
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bluepolarbear said:
The limitations are not generally the laser gun but the optics for taking the video


Agreed, it is all very well taking speed readings (well it is not actually ) but if you cannot identify the car it is not much use.

lunarscope

2,901 posts

272 months

Thursday 10th March 2005
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Rather difficult to form an opinion of excess speed, though.

hedders

24,460 posts

277 months

Thursday 10th March 2005
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No, speed camera's do not work in the dark..or during the day...they just don't work!

deeen

6,408 posts

275 months

Thursday 10th March 2005
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I believe the guidelines suggest targeting the number plate. Would love to know how an operator can do this on a car coming towards him in the dark, while being blinded by the headlights?

sadako

7,080 posts

268 months

Thursday 10th March 2005
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Just a thought, those blue headlight bulbs would filter out some IR, perhaps better to use normal bulbs, or those 80/100 off road ones...

miniandy

1,512 posts

267 months

Thursday 10th March 2005
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sadako said:
Just a thought, those blue headlight bulbs would filter out some IR, perhaps better to use normal bulbs, or those 80/100 off road ones...


what about xenon?

moose1978

Original Poster:

645 posts

268 months

Thursday 10th March 2005
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I was sat in traffic on the way home tonight and tried to read cars number plates as they approached. Now I could not see anything until the car was by the side of me but I'm guessing that they may have some image enhancing stuff??

Plus, if I get a NIP I will need to see the photo to determine who was driving because my missus and me were on the same road, in the same car about 10 minutes apart. Normally a forward facing camera would get this no problem but what do I do if I can't see the driver? Aparantly I have a legal right to determine who the driver was...do I just guess??

KITT

5,345 posts

271 months

Thursday 10th March 2005
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Well our local scammers have invested in night vison scameras:

www.safecam.org.uk/news/news_story.asp?id=241

Obviously got too much cash

boosted ls1

21,200 posts

290 months

Thursday 10th March 2005
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I love that word SCAMMERS, it sums it up. I need to make a sign to stick near a scammer van when he's aiming at the brow of a hill in Nottingham. Not that he would see it though

parrot of doom

23,075 posts

264 months

Thursday 10th March 2005
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Its highly unlikely they work in the dark, for the following reasons:

Optics: Wide open iris, very low depth of field, very hard for the cameraman to focus correctly when zoomed. Also, headlights would cause multiple instances of lens flare.

CCD: CCD isn't powerful enough to record the low light being reflected off the number plate. If you made it more sensitive, you'd get large amounts of bleed up and down the CCD.

Can't form prior opinion of speed: Unless the carriageway is brightly lit, how can anybody guess the speed of the vehicle?


Its for these reasons that Truvelo cameras have flash units.