Dorset Police Demand Alternatives to Cameras ...
Discussion
Because they don't work ... but hey the scamera partnership does not agree ...
www.thisisbournemouth.co.uk/dorset/bournemouth/news/BOURN_NEWS_NEWS0.html
U-TURN OVER CAMERAS?
by Darren Slade
POLICE officers are demanding alternatives to speed cameras following claims that they fail to save lives.
The head of the Police Federation in Dorset says more of the £4 million made by the county's safety cameras should be ploughed into other road safety measures.
His comments came after one of Britain's chief champions of cameras announced they were not cutting deaths but were antagonising drivers.
Richard Brunstrom, chief constable of North Wales, said: "We have 6,000 cameras in the UK covering every identifiable hotspot and yet road deaths have gone up. We cannot keep going until we have a camera on every lamppost. We have to stop somewhere."
Clive Chamberlain, the chairman of Dorset Police Federation, said he was extremely concerned that cameras might not be cutting road deaths.
He said: "If they're not, what do we need to be doing that cuts road deaths?
"My view is the huge amounts of money that are made by these camera safety partnerships
should be directed towards local road safety schemes in order to make it socially unacceptable to speed."
He said speed was a factor in many accidents but cameras did nothing to pick up other dangerous offences such as driving without an MOT. He wants more officers checking for defects on vehicles and spreading awareness of road safety.
"We're not condoning speeding or that people should speed and get away with it," he added.
Dorset saw 65,984 people caught by cameras in 2003-04 for speeding or jumping red lights - bringing in £4 million in fines. The safety partnership can only keep enough to cover its costs. The treasury took the remaining £844,000.
The partnership claims there has been a 45.3 per cent reduction in deaths and serious injuries near cam-eras which have been working for a year, and 25.7 per cent where they have been running for two years.
National figures showed 3,508 people died on Britain's roads in 2003 - the highest figure since 1997 - despite 2.2 million drivers being caught speeding.
Matthew McKenna, spokesman for Dorset Safety Camera Partnership, said cameras were cutting deaths.
"Through a combination of enforce-ment, engineering and education, the Dorset Safety Camera Partnership is continuing to achieve its aim of red-ucing the number of people killed or seriously injured on Dorset's roads, as a consequence of both excess and inappropriate speed," he said.
He added: "This success is being reflected across the nation through the work of the safety camera partnerships.
"The Dorset Safety Camera Partner-ship works within Department for Transport rules and guidelines, but we do recognise that there are other issues surrounding the wider road safety agenda and the National Safety Camera Programme - which repre-sents all the safety camera partner-ships - is continually looking at ways in which we can all further help reduce the number of people killed or seriously injured on our roads.
"Road safety is not just about safety cameras. The partnership is part of an overall national effort to reduce death and serious injuries on our roads."
First published: March 15
www.thisisbournemouth.co.uk/dorset/bournemouth/news/BOURN_NEWS_NEWS0.html
U-TURN OVER CAMERAS?
by Darren Slade
POLICE officers are demanding alternatives to speed cameras following claims that they fail to save lives.
The head of the Police Federation in Dorset says more of the £4 million made by the county's safety cameras should be ploughed into other road safety measures.
His comments came after one of Britain's chief champions of cameras announced they were not cutting deaths but were antagonising drivers.
Richard Brunstrom, chief constable of North Wales, said: "We have 6,000 cameras in the UK covering every identifiable hotspot and yet road deaths have gone up. We cannot keep going until we have a camera on every lamppost. We have to stop somewhere."
Clive Chamberlain, the chairman of Dorset Police Federation, said he was extremely concerned that cameras might not be cutting road deaths.
He said: "If they're not, what do we need to be doing that cuts road deaths?
"My view is the huge amounts of money that are made by these camera safety partnerships
should be directed towards local road safety schemes in order to make it socially unacceptable to speed."
He said speed was a factor in many accidents but cameras did nothing to pick up other dangerous offences such as driving without an MOT. He wants more officers checking for defects on vehicles and spreading awareness of road safety.
"We're not condoning speeding or that people should speed and get away with it," he added.
Dorset saw 65,984 people caught by cameras in 2003-04 for speeding or jumping red lights - bringing in £4 million in fines. The safety partnership can only keep enough to cover its costs. The treasury took the remaining £844,000.
The partnership claims there has been a 45.3 per cent reduction in deaths and serious injuries near cam-eras which have been working for a year, and 25.7 per cent where they have been running for two years.
National figures showed 3,508 people died on Britain's roads in 2003 - the highest figure since 1997 - despite 2.2 million drivers being caught speeding.
Matthew McKenna, spokesman for Dorset Safety Camera Partnership, said cameras were cutting deaths.
"Through a combination of enforce-ment, engineering and education, the Dorset Safety Camera Partnership is continuing to achieve its aim of red-ucing the number of people killed or seriously injured on Dorset's roads, as a consequence of both excess and inappropriate speed," he said.
He added: "This success is being reflected across the nation through the work of the safety camera partnerships.
"The Dorset Safety Camera Partner-ship works within Department for Transport rules and guidelines, but we do recognise that there are other issues surrounding the wider road safety agenda and the National Safety Camera Programme - which repre-sents all the safety camera partner-ships - is continually looking at ways in which we can all further help reduce the number of people killed or seriously injured on our roads.
"Road safety is not just about safety cameras. The partnership is part of an overall national effort to reduce death and serious injuries on our roads."
First published: March 15
autismuk said:Buildings, pensions, vans, wages, pensions, police overtime, lunches to bribe MPs, pensions, trapping equipment, pensions, police overtime, propaganda.
So, they rake in 4m and the left over is 844,000. By my reckoning this is about 3.2m that is "expenses".
What does the Scamera Mob spend 3.2m on ?
So, the cameras are not working...
Lets see some action then, have the cameras removed and lets see more of a Police prescence on our roads to deter those that choose to drive without a licence, insurance, MOT, drunk etc - not just target those that stray over the speed limit.
Highly unlikely though this is, it's the only way the Police are going win back my respect and support as a motorist...
Andy
Lets see some action then, have the cameras removed and lets see more of a Police prescence on our roads to deter those that choose to drive without a licence, insurance, MOT, drunk etc - not just target those that stray over the speed limit.
Highly unlikely though this is, it's the only way the Police are going win back my respect and support as a motorist...
Andy
Either worm ist turning, my mind altering pills mit essence of catnip actually worked ... or..
they are planning to place scams in cats' eyes und in streetlamps....
But even so - ist more expensive that current gadgets und still would not cop the really dangerous...
Perhaps - we might actually see return to common sense old fashioned honest Dixon of Dock Green style policing again....
they are planning to place scams in cats' eyes und in streetlamps.... But even so - ist more expensive that current gadgets und still would not cop the really dangerous...
Perhaps - we might actually see return to common sense old fashioned honest Dixon of Dock Green style policing again....
Turning Worms.... You heard it here first
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The Wiz said:
"Road safety is not just about safety cameras. The partnership is part of an overall national effort to reduce death and serious injuries on our roads."
So what other parts of the "overall national effort" are we aware of, and who is responsible for them? Isn't it odd that there's a whole pyramid of partnerships covering one small KSI cause yet I'm not aware of the organisations covering the rest?
Or maybe I just haven't noticed the other 50 nationwide organisations working 24 hours/day to address drunk driving, lack of driving skills, poor attitude to driving, drug driving, under-age driving, etc, etc.
National figures showed 3,508 people died on Britain's roads in 2003 - the highest figure since 1997 - despite 2.2 million drivers being caught speeding.
QUOTE :
"Matthew McKenna, spokesman for Dorset Safety Camera Partnership, said cameras were cutting deaths.
"Through a combination of enforce-ment, engineering and education, the Dorset Safety Camera Partnership is continuing to achieve its aim of red-ucing the number of people killed or seriously injured on Dorset's roads, as a consequence of both excess and inappropriate speed," he said.
He added: "This success is being reflected across the nation through the work of the safety camera partnerships." UNQUOTE.
My God! These camera people are so damned arrogant, how can they lie so bare-faced?! I find it absolutely amazing!
I know his job depends on it, but if it were me I'd feel a complete idiot having to lie in the face of facts that state the opposite.
How can this farce be allowed to continue!!
QUOTE :
"Matthew McKenna, spokesman for Dorset Safety Camera Partnership, said cameras were cutting deaths.
"Through a combination of enforce-ment, engineering and education, the Dorset Safety Camera Partnership is continuing to achieve its aim of red-ucing the number of people killed or seriously injured on Dorset's roads, as a consequence of both excess and inappropriate speed," he said.
He added: "This success is being reflected across the nation through the work of the safety camera partnerships." UNQUOTE.
My God! These camera people are so damned arrogant, how can they lie so bare-faced?! I find it absolutely amazing!
I know his job depends on it, but if it were me I'd feel a complete idiot having to lie in the face of facts that state the opposite.
How can this farce be allowed to continue!!
320td said:You won't get them ... the accountants (www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=162441&f=10&h=0) will ensure the BiB spend their time in the back-office (yes, that IS spelled correctly) keeping the paper-work on the 19% detection rate (www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=161905&f=10&h=0) straight ... resulting in them spending only some two minutes on the beat each day (according to some recent research - to which I can't find a reference on-line, sorry)!
So, the cameras are not working...
Lets see some action then, have the cameras removed and lets see more of a Police prescence on our roads to deter those that choose to drive without a licence, insurance, MOT, drunk etc - not just target those that stray over the speed limit.
Highly unlikely though this is, it's the only way the Police are going win back my respect and support as a motorist...
Andy
Streaky
streaky said:
resulting in them spending only some two minutes on the beat each day
probably corroborated by Dibble's experiment where in applying no discretion he never got further than 0.5 mile from the nick throughout an entire shift.
Note: experiment results quoted from memory. Search function not used. FiF in idle git mode.
Peter Ward said:
"Road safety is not just about safety cameras. The partnership is part of an overall national effort to reduce death and serious injuries on our roads."
So what other parts of the "overall national effort" are we aware of, and who is responsible for them? Isn't it odd that there's a whole pyramid of partnerships covering one small KSI cause yet I'm not aware of the organisations covering the rest?
Or maybe I just haven't noticed the other 50 nationwide organisations working 24 hours/day to address drunk driving, lack of driving skills, poor attitude to driving, drug driving, under-age driving, etc, etc.
Well said mate, every time I ask this question of the partnerships they fail to give an answer. The fact is their extensive raft of measures consists of scameras nothing else. We are talking about a very successful and profitable business here with a very large amount of clout, clout that costs a lot of money to have.
I imagine these outspoken CCs will soon be pensoined off or moved to a less demanding role
streaky said:
320td said:
So, the cameras are not working...
Lets see some action then, have the cameras removed and lets see more of a Police prescence on our roads to deter those that choose to drive without a licence, insurance, MOT, drunk etc - not just target those that stray over the speed limit.
Highly unlikely though this is, it's the only way the Police are going win back my respect and support as a motorist...
Andy
You won't get them ... the accountants (<a href="http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=162441&f=10&h=0)">www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=162441&f=10&h=0)</a> will ensure the BiB spend their time in the back-office (yes, that IS spelled correctly) keeping the paper-work on the 19% detection rate (<a href="http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=161905&f=10&h=0)">www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=161905&f=10&h=0)</a> straight ... resulting in them spending only some two minutes on the beat each day (according to some recent research - to which I can't find a reference on-line, sorry)!
Streaky
Streaky Liebchen - it was in yesterday's Daily Mail on page 4. Neil Sear und Ben Taylor were the journaiists.
It said the research was carried out by criminologist Dr Mike Rowe who spen 650 hours shadowing officers in three different stations in different forces - urban, suburban und rural. He spent just 2 hours on patrol in the 650 hours - which equated to two seconds per officer per day.
They are lucky enough to get an hour for lunch - whether looking after youngest kitten on current maternity or hard at work in lab (sort of working mit team anyway from home und occasional visits to check researches und trialings) - never ever had whole hour for lunch.... und teachers, accountants, lawyers und medics in the family all claim they do not have this luxury either.....
Und he said they had lots ot doughnut dunking breaks 
First twenty minutes of their average day ist wasted on briefings - where they apparently waffle on about speed und roads
for 15 minutes und spend 5 discussing tactics to catch real criminals They then spend 11 minutes dealing mit those mentally ill
(Ach - they mean the CC und blokes in charge 
); 44 minutes rseponding to crimes in progress Then reminding witnesses to turn up to court und checking the stations' burglar alarms 
Dr Rowe also shadowed Sergeants...und found that he had to respond to calls well away from where he was patrolling...(Perhaps they are getting summat wrong at the briefing then und not deploying wisely...)
He also found that officers were reluctant to out on foot patrol - especially if - ach ! DIDDUMS - ist a bit cold outside....
"They did not see this as useful!" What the 
? Dr Rowe was also astounded at form filling, computer keyboard stabbing which ist all very low tech - und was gobsmacked at their having to write down same address on 4 different pieces of paper.
Und the article concludes mit Hazel B/lears (another pinocchio puppet) saying the government has cut paperwork und increased number of civilians...to do the paper work...
They are in the talivans.... >> Edited by WildCat on Wednesday 16th March 11:53
parrot of doom said:Not a graph - but here is a map of casualties in Thames Valley:
Just wondering, has anybody produced a graph which shows the relationship between traffic density in the UK, and road deaths/accidents?
Thames Valley Highway Robbers said:M25 North West section is in the bottom right corner, Oxford in the middle, Milton Keynes in the top right.
This graphic illustrates the concentration of injury road crashes in the Thames Valley Area. Each dot represents a location where one or more people have been killed or injured in road crashes in the last 3 years. You can try and count them if you like but there are around 25 THOUSAND dots.
WildCat said:
320td said:
So, the cameras are not working...
Lets see some action then, have the cameras removed and lets see more of a Police prescence on our roads to deter those that choose to drive without a licence, insurance, MOT, drunk etc - not just target those that stray over the speed limit.
Highly unlikely though this is, it's the only way the Police are going win back my respect and support as a motorist...
Andy
You won't get them ... the accountants (<a href="http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=162441&f=10&h=0)"><a href="http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=162441&f=10&h=0)">www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=162441&f=10&h=0)</a></a> will ensure the BiB spend their time in the back-office (yes, that IS spelled correctly) keeping the paper-work on the 19% detection rate (<a href="http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=161905&f=10&h=0)"><a href="http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=161905&f=10&h=0)">www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=161905&f=10&h=0)</a></a> straight ... resulting in them spending only some two minutes on the beat each day (according to some recent research - to which I can't find a reference on-line, sorry)!
Streaky
Streaky Liebchen - it was in yesterday's Daily Mail on page 4. Neil Sear und Ben Taylor were the journaiists.
It said the research was carried out by criminologist Dr Mike Rowe who spen 650 hours shadowing officers in three different stations in different forces - urban, suburban und rural. He spent just 2 hours on patrol in the 650 hours - which equated to two seconds per officer per day.
They are lucky enough to get an hour for lunch - whether looking after youngest kitten on current maternity or hard at work in lab (sort of working mit team anyway from home und occasional visits to check researches und trialings) - never ever had whole hour for lunch.... und teachers, accountants, lawyers und medics in the family all claim they do not have this luxury either.....
First twenty minutes of their average day ist wasted on briefings - where they apparently waffle on about speed und roads
They then spend 11 minutes dealing mit those mentally ill
Dr Rowe also shadowed Sergeants...und found that he had to respond to calls well away from where he was patrolling...(Perhaps they are getting summat wrong at the briefing then und not deploying wisely...)
He also found that officers were reluctant to out on foot patrol - especially if - ach ! DIDDUMS - ist a bit cold outside....
Dr Rowe was also astounded at form filling, computer keyboard stabbing which ist all very low tech - und was gobsmacked at their having to write down same address on 4 different pieces of paper.
Und the article concludes mit Hazel B/lears (another pinocchio puppet) saying the government has cut paperwork und increased number of civilians...to do the paper work...
>> Edited by WildCat on Wednesday 16th March 11:53
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