Shed damaged neighbours property
Shed damaged neighbours property
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westtra

Original Poster:

1,542 posts

227 months

Sunday 25th December 2016
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Hi,

Know this has heen done before but search not greatest on my phone.

Still digging through my insurance t&c's to see what they say but am I able to claim on my house insurance for damage to a neighbours car and guttering? By my shed dissintegrating thanks to Babs and Connor.

Or is it a case of I have to pay up my self.

Chrisgr31

14,242 posts

281 months

Sunday 25th December 2016
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I think that unless your shed was decrepit and in an exceptionally poor state of repair your neighbours will be paying or claiming of their insurance. Your insurance will only pay out if you were negligent in not carrying out works to your shed as it was obvious it would disintegrate in poor weather.

Obviously you can pay out your own pocket to maintain neighbourly relations.

westtra

Original Poster:

1,542 posts

227 months

Sunday 25th December 2016
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Wasnt decrepit. Was new( less than 2 weeks) to replace an old decrepit one that has lasted for years in a st state in worse weather.

Driver101

14,451 posts

147 months

Sunday 25th December 2016
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If it only lasted until the first winds then I'd question the quality of the shed.

I can't see your relationship being good with your neighbour if you don't stump up for the damage.


CubanPete

3,786 posts

214 months

Sunday 25th December 2016
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I would expect it to be paid out through your household insurance. Though not sure if neighbours would have to claim through their insurance first? How much is the damage?

westtra

Original Poster:

1,542 posts

227 months

Sunday 25th December 2016
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Don't know the full damage as I am away from home so getting messages from wife. Definitely front wing, scratches elsewhere that should polish out and possible damage to the roof.

Will pay for it ourselves if cant do it through insurance.

And yes I am definitely questioning the quallity of the shed. Felt solid when put up.

The shed

http://m.costco.co.uk/view/p/keter-factor-8ft-5-x-...

Chrisgr31

14,242 posts

281 months

Sunday 25th December 2016
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How was it fixed to the ground? If it was that new I would suggest whoever erected it was negligent and didnt do the ob properly. Thats why it came apart or blew away. If it was you and you were negligent you may ell be covered, especially if you have legal cover.

westtra

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1,542 posts

227 months

Sunday 25th December 2016
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Was fixed down with a ton of bricks untill it could be bolted into ground when I got home. The base was still there in place but the rest of it ripped off.

Base now removed just as a precaution.

Shed was built as per instructions.

Chrisgr31

14,242 posts

281 months

Sunday 25th December 2016
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My guess is your insurance will only pay out if you were negligent. If you weren't then I think neighbours will have to claim on their own insurance unless you pay out your own pocket.

westtra

Original Poster:

1,542 posts

227 months

Sunday 25th December 2016
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Will see what they say in the morning when I phone and update here.

Last bloody thing I need as well with being away for xmas.

TwigtheWonderkid

48,460 posts

176 months

Sunday 25th December 2016
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As said, your house insurance covers your legal liabilities to third parties. You will only be legally liable if you were negligent. It doesn't cover stuff you feel morally obliged to pay for.

From what you say, you may have been negligent if it wasn't build properly, but probably weren't. But your neighbours would have to prove it. If you actually want your insurers to pay, when you report it to them, you'd admit that you built it, you weren't happy with your own work as you're not much good at DIY. You were planning to get a pro round to re do it properly and then the storm struck. But of course if that wasn't true it would be insurance fraud.

I have comp insurance for my car, to cover me for eventualities like this, where my car might get damaged by debris in a storm that's no one's fault.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

135 months

Sunday 25th December 2016
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10 year warranty on that sweet little number according to the description.
Whoever ends up claiming, you could put a claim in against Keter anyway.

westtra

Original Poster:

1,542 posts

227 months

Sunday 25th December 2016
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Good Idea I will contact them as never thought of it like that. I had thought of it as wear and tear on door hinges/window etc. Not the whole (going by wifes description) shed detatching fron the base.

SpeckledJim

33,132 posts

279 months

Sunday 25th December 2016
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It's your neighbour's problem.

That's why we have insurance - to pay for accidental damage to our stuff. Not to pay for accidental damage to other people's stuff.

Very nice of you to offer to pay, but is isn't your fault or duty and I doubt many neighbours would do the same for you.

pim

2,346 posts

150 months

Sunday 25th December 2016
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
As said, your house insurance covers your legal liabilities to third parties. You will only be legally liable if you were negligent. It doesn't cover stuff you feel morally obliged to pay for.

From what you say, you may have been negligent if it wasn't build properly, but probably weren't. But your neighbours would have to prove it. If you actually want your insurers to pay, when you report it to them, you'd admit that you built it, you weren't happy with your own work as you're not much good at DIY. You were planning to get a pro round to re do it properly and then the storm struck. But of course if that wasn't true it would be insurance fraud.

I have comp insurance for my car, to cover me for eventualities like this, where my car might get damaged by debris in a storm that's no one's fault.
How can he be negligent? Storm hits shed blows over and debris ends up in neighbours property.Pro or no pro S Happens.Neighbours claim from there insurance and the shed owner from his insurance if he has cover.

TwigtheWonderkid

48,460 posts

176 months

Monday 26th December 2016
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pim said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
As said, your house insurance covers your legal liabilities to third parties. You will only be legally liable if you were negligent. It doesn't cover stuff you feel morally obliged to pay for.

From what you say, you may have been negligent if it wasn't build properly, but probably weren't. But your neighbours would have to prove it. If you actually want your insurers to pay, when you report it to them, you'd admit that you built it, you weren't happy with your own work as you're not much good at DIY. You were planning to get a pro round to re do it properly and then the storm struck. But of course if that wasn't true it would be insurance fraud.

I have comp insurance for my car, to cover me for eventualities like this, where my car might get damaged by debris in a storm that's no one's fault.
How can he be negligent? Storm hits shed blows over and debris ends up in neighbours property.Pro or no pro S Happens.Neighbours claim from there insurance and the shed owner from his insurance if he has cover.
I don't think he was negligent. But I get the impression OP wants to be negligent, so his insurance will compensate neighbour. If he were to admit he struggled to erect the shed and probably hadn't done it very well....


Marvtec

421 posts

185 months

Monday 26th December 2016
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OP contradicts himself, says shed was built according to the instructions, yet was *secured* by a 'ton of bricks'. Until he can be bothered to secure it properly. But wants to blame the shed manufacturer/storms for his incompetence/laziness.

At least he wants to compensate his neighbour though unlike the morons stating his neighbour should claim off their own insurance and suffer the excess loss/no claims reduction.

TwigtheWonderkid

48,460 posts

176 months

Monday 26th December 2016
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Marvtec said:
OP contradicts himself, says shed was built according to the instructions, yet was *secured* by a 'ton of bricks'. Until he can be bothered to secure it properly. But wants to blame the shed manufacturer/storms for his incompetence/laziness.

At least he wants to compensate his neighbour though unlike the morons stating his neighbour should claim off their own insurance and suffer the excess loss/no claims reduction.
I'm not sure you get the point of what the OP is saying.

As I understand it, OP want's to compensate his neighbours, but not out of his own pocket. He wants his house insurers to take care of it. The only way he can do that is to admit negligence. There are 3 ways this can end.

1. OP admits negligence, his insurers pay the neighbours.
2. OP doesn't admit negligence, and pays neighbours out of his own pocket.
3. OP doesn't admit negligence, and refuses to pay neighbours personally, and neighbours claim off their own insurance for their own damage. Neighbours insurers are then free to pursue OP's insurers to recover their outlay but probably won't bother as it'll be almost impossible to prove negligence.

As for your last post about us being morons, can I ask you, if tiles blew off your roof in a major storm and landed on neighbours Bugatti causing £100K of damage, how would you deal with that?

Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Monday 26th December 08:59

motco

17,471 posts

272 months

Monday 26th December 2016
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westtra said:
Don't know the full damage as I am away from home so getting messages from wife. Definitely front wing, scratches elsewhere that should polish out and possible damage to the roof.

Will pay for it ourselves if cant do it through insurance.

And yes I am definitely questioning the quallity of the shed. Felt solid when put up.

The shed

http://m.costco.co.uk/view/p/keter-factor-8ft-5-x-...
Made in Israel I believe... Not relevant, perhaps, but the maker's not going to be that communicative.

TorqueVR

1,943 posts

225 months

Monday 26th December 2016
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No a dissimilar situation to a few year ago when an roof tile blew off our roof and damaged Mrs Torque's bonnet. The car insurers were not interested as storm damage is not covered by a car policy. The house policy was also no use as the house policy specifically excludes damage to motor vehicles. It was one of those situations where where there's no insurance cover. In the OP's case the neighbour only has a claim if the OP was negligent, so it seems to me that if the shed was in good repair there is no claim.