Green Strobing led in emergency?
Green Strobing led in emergency?
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LotusMartin

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1,127 posts

182 months

Saturday 11th February 2017
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Heading down the 329M last weekend and came upon an accident that had just happened near the M4 slip. Car facing the wrong way in the middle lane, people wondering around the carriageway- seriously dodgy situation.

This was maybe 8pm so pretty dark, but someone had parked a 4x4 in the hard shoulder with a green strobing LED light on the roof - seriously effective and Im sure prevented further accidents . My assumption is this was a doctor, but made me think how useful a strobing light would be in this situation.

Many available on ebay/amazon, but whats the legal position?

BossHogg

7,541 posts

208 months

Saturday 11th February 2017
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LotusMartin

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1,127 posts

182 months

Saturday 11th February 2017
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BossHogg said:
Read that, and the simplified version, still not clear. For example Schedule 16 along with clause 11 suggests you can have a warning beacon in Blue, amber, green or yellow - but there must be another clause sonewhere limiting this to the appropriate emergency vehicle?

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(Regulations 17 and 20)
SCHEDULE 16
requirement relating to obligatory and optional warning beacons

1. Number:

Sufficient to satisfy the requirements of paragraph 3
2. Position–
Every warning beacon shall be so mounted on the vehicle that the centre of the lamp is at a height not less than 1200 mm above the ground.
3. Angles of visibility–
The light shown from at least one beacon (but not necessarily the same beacon) shall be visible from any point at a reasonable distance from the vehicle or any trailer being drawn by it.
4. Markings:

No requirement
5. Size of illuminated area:

No requirement
6. Colour:

Blue, amber, green or yellow in accordance with Regulation 11
7. Wattage:

No requirement
8. Intensity:

No requirement
9. Electrical connections:

No requirement
10. Tell-tale:

No requirement
11. Other requirements–
The light shown by any one warning beacon shall be displayed not less than 60 nor more than 240 equal times per minute and the intervals between each display of light shall be constant.



Cat

3,134 posts

299 months

Saturday 11th February 2017
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LotusMartin said:
Read that, and the simplified version, still not clear. For example Schedule 16 along with clause 11 suggests you can have a warning beacon in Blue, amber, green or yellow - but there must be another clause sonewhere limiting this to the appropriate emergency vehicle?
The other clause is reg 11 of the RVLR that specifies which vehicles are allowed to display warning beacons of the permitted colours.

Cat

BossHogg

7,541 posts

208 months

Sunday 12th February 2017
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Reg 11, section 2, subsection m, states: "green light from a warning beacon fitted to a vehicle used by a medical practitioner registered by the General Medical Council (whether with full, provisional or limited registration)" wink

QuickQuack

2,827 posts

131 months

Sunday 12th February 2017
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Green lights are for doctors (of the medical type with a GMC registration). They don't allow any traffic rules to be broken but are for warning only. If other cars allow you through, you can proceed but can't go through reds etc. Occasionally, if police notice you, they can escort you to the destination. I have had police waving me on to go through reds at night and escort me on separate occasions.

I have also used it as a warning when I stopped at a fresh accident on M40 with no other emergency services yet present.

anth7714

30 posts

122 months

Sunday 12th February 2017
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seen a few on plant equipment also - i assume its so everyone can see where the nearest first aider is?

Ian Geary

5,626 posts

222 months

Sunday 12th February 2017
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I once happened upon a motorbike that had conked out at the top of the m23 slip for gatwick. Highly dangerous for him, as it was pitch black.

Not only did it prompt me to sort hazards out on my bike, I also picked up one of those flashing red strobes you see in aldi / lidl from time to time.

I guess if they're used sensibly there's little chance of plod aggro, but have wondered occasionally what laws I would be breaking by having it stuck ( via magnet) to my car or bike.


Ian

Drumroll

4,538 posts

150 months

Sunday 12th February 2017
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The green flashing light on plant is used to indicate that the seat belt is in use.

Nigel Worc's

8,121 posts

218 months

Sunday 12th February 2017
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Drumroll said:
The green flashing light on plant is used to indicate that the seat belt is in use.
Many thanks for that.

I had wondered but hadn't asked.

How do they get around the regulations regarding being on the public highway but obviously not being a medical doctor ?

Drumroll

4,538 posts

150 months

Sunday 12th February 2017
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A very good question. When they first started to be used it was mainly on heavy plant that would not use public highways, so not an issue. (Some plant use blue flasing lights when reversing) but now JCB's and small dumpers use them I am not so sure what the regulations say.

Slushbox

1,484 posts

135 months

Sunday 12th February 2017
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I've got an amber 'revolving' strobe in the car' Battery operated, magnet attached. Much more noticeable than four-way flashers. 'Osram Road flare', about six inches across: (doesn't revolve but looks like it from a distance.)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Osram-LEDSL302-Flashing-F...


s55shh

523 posts

242 months

Sunday 12th February 2017
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anth7714 said:
seen a few on plant equipment also - i assume its so everyone can see where the nearest first aider is?
On construction plant its to show that the operative is wearing his seatbelt.

surveyor_101

5,069 posts

209 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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anth7714 said:
seen a few on plant equipment also - i assume its so everyone can see where the nearest first aider is?
On plant used on highways england it strobes green to show the operator is strapped in and using the seat belt/restraint system.

jan8p

1,844 posts

258 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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Ian Geary said:
I once happened upon a motorbike that had conked out at the top of the m23 slip for gatwick. Highly dangerous for him, as it was pitch black.

Not only did it prompt me to sort hazards out on my bike, I also picked up one of those flashing red strobes you see in aldi / lidl from time to time.

I guess if they're used sensibly there's little chance of plod aggro, but have wondered occasionally what laws I would be breaking by having it stuck ( via magnet) to my car or bike.


Ian
A couple off the top of my head could be 1) Showing a red light to the front and 2) Showing a flashing red light as you're not an emergency vehicle.

anth7714

30 posts

122 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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surveyor_101 said:
On plant used on highways england it strobes green to show the operator is strapped in and using the seat belt/restraint system.
s55shh said:
On construction plant its to show that the operative is wearing his seatbelt.
Drumroll said:
The green flashing light on plant is used to indicate that the seat belt is in use.
ahh you learn something new everyday - thanks for that