Defensive speeding
Discussion
I think there's only two ways the authorities would take "defensive speeding" as an excuse:
1) If the speed camera picture shows another vehicle right up the first car's chuff (as in dangerously close).
2) If the second car was also flashed, nano-seconds after the first car.
In the absence of photographic evidence showing the first car was indeed being hassled, any such defence would be laughed out of court.
Incidentally, I still think the first car's driver will get done - though the fine/points may be lower, if the defence is accepted.
1) If the speed camera picture shows another vehicle right up the first car's chuff (as in dangerously close).
2) If the second car was also flashed, nano-seconds after the first car.
In the absence of photographic evidence showing the first car was indeed being hassled, any such defence would be laughed out of court.
Incidentally, I still think the first car's driver will get done - though the fine/points may be lower, if the defence is accepted.
MorganP104 said:
I think there's only two ways the authorities would take "defensive speeding" as an excuse:
1) If the speed camera picture shows another vehicle right up the first car's chuff (as in dangerously close).
2) If the second car was also flashed, nano-seconds after the first car.
In the absence of photographic evidence showing the first car was indeed being hassled, any such defence would be laughed out of court.
Incidentally, I still think the first car's driver will get done - though the fine/points may be lower, if the defence is accepted.
what if it was a local goading a stranger to speed through a known trap?1) If the speed camera picture shows another vehicle right up the first car's chuff (as in dangerously close).
2) If the second car was also flashed, nano-seconds after the first car.
In the absence of photographic evidence showing the first car was indeed being hassled, any such defence would be laughed out of court.
Incidentally, I still think the first car's driver will get done - though the fine/points may be lower, if the defence is accepted.
PH XKR said:
A friend got flashed the other day on the way to work. They claim they were being intimidated/pushed by an aggressive car behind so they were driving to get away. Could this be a defence?
Given the advice for dealing with aggressive drivers like that is to slow down to a speed that's appropriate for the distance between your car and the tail-gater, I'd say that defence would be viewed as nonsense. PH XKR said:
A friend got flashed the other day on the way to work. They claim they were being intimidated/pushed by an aggressive car behind so they were driving to get away. Could this be a defence?
They'd have to turn down the SAC/FPN, and opt for a day in court to find out. Do they feel lucky?It sounds like it's getting close to a guilty plea for careless or even racing.
kitz said:
Didn't David Beckham successfuly use a similar defence because paparazzi were following him ?
Sort of. Favoured motoring lawyer to the celebs Nick "Mr Loophole" Freeman appealed Beckhams conviction using that reason amongst others in a scattergun defence. It's reported here
Article said:
In 1999, Becks was given an eight-month ban, having been caught driving his £150,000 Ferrari at 76mph in a 50mph zone in Wilmslow, Cheshire. Freeman successfully appealed the verdict. The reason:
(a) Becks was suffering severe emotional trauma, having recently been hit by a football boot kicked by Sir Alex Ferguson and thus had no idea of his speed.
(b) Becks was ‘petrified’ having been chased for ten miles from his Alderley Edge home by a paparazzo.
(c) He was hurrying home because his wife Victoria had a Spice Girls concert in Manchester and he was on babysitting duties with his newborn son Brooklyn.
A gathering of paparazzi also helped him avoid a speeding ticket being issued in LA, on a later occasion (a) Becks was suffering severe emotional trauma, having recently been hit by a football boot kicked by Sir Alex Ferguson and thus had no idea of his speed.
(b) Becks was ‘petrified’ having been chased for ten miles from his Alderley Edge home by a paparazzo.
(c) He was hurrying home because his wife Victoria had a Spice Girls concert in Manchester and he was on babysitting duties with his newborn son Brooklyn.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10805...
Edited by sparkythecat on Thursday 16th February 16:10
And Sir Alex Ferguson when he had the s**ts
Edit different offence though https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/oct/05/vivekch...
Edit different offence though https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/oct/05/vivekch...
Edited by covboy on Thursday 16th February 16:26
covboy said:
And Sir Alex Ferguson when he had the s**ts
Edit different offence though https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/oct/05/vivekch...
""And Sir Alex Ferguson when he had the s**ts ""Edit different offence though https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/oct/05/vivekch...
Edited by covboy on Thursday 16th February 16:26
And now The Special One has few left in his squad...
BOF
What a wimp to be so easily bullied & of course absolute nonsense for it to be used as an excuse for speeding.
Tailgaters are best dealt with by ever decreasing your own speed by easing off the throttle, NOT braking, so as to minimise any subsequent impact. It that means for instance going past a 60mph speed camera at 30mph so be it.
Tailgaters are best dealt with by ever decreasing your own speed by easing off the throttle, NOT braking, so as to minimise any subsequent impact. It that means for instance going past a 60mph speed camera at 30mph so be it.
PH XKR said:
A friend got flashed the other day on the way to work. They claim they were being intimidated/pushed by an aggressive car behind so they were driving to get away. Could this be a defence?
And the reason why he couldn't have put his left indicator on at some point & let the aggressive car (whatever one of those is) pass........? Or did this intimidation just happen to be at the camera location
Good luck.
He can try a NG plea but IME magistrates usually don't like people taking the piss.
Edited by paintman on Thursday 16th February 20:46
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