Speed cameras
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mikeychiswick

Original Poster:

13 posts

261 months

Tuesday 29th March 2005
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Does anyone know if you can be done for speeding from a van on a motorway bridge at night, when it is pitch black??

DeltaFox

3,839 posts

262 months

Tuesday 29th March 2005
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Yes!

mikeychiswick

Original Poster:

13 posts

261 months

Tuesday 29th March 2005
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Damn!!!

Do they have to stop you?

M@H

11,298 posts

302 months

Tuesday 29th March 2005
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mikeychiswick said:
Do they have to stop you?


No.

KITT

5,345 posts

271 months

Tuesday 29th March 2005
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Avon and Somerset Scamera Pratnership were boasting about their new upgraded scamera vans for just this purpose:

www.safecam.org.uk/news/news_story.asp?id=241

So, I'd say that yes they can get you at night

gopher

5,160 posts

289 months

Tuesday 29th March 2005
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Anyone know what method the cameras use to see past the headlights to view the number plate?

Bryan35

1,906 posts

271 months

Tuesday 29th March 2005
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Humberside police have started having 'nightime' sessions with their little vans. Parked nice and quietly out of the way of course!.

Lot's of untapped revenue there chaps, especially in the winter.

They took £2.8M in fines last year by the way, and casualties went up.

DeltaFox

3,839 posts

262 months

Tuesday 29th March 2005
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gopher said:
Anyone know what method the cameras use to see past the headlights to view the number plate?


Infra red and the reflectivity of your plate makes it a cinch.

My front plate on the other hand doesnt reflect and ANPR dosent pick it up either...i should know, i got followed and pulled by the peelers when they didnt get a "Hit".
Didnt say nothing about the plate though cos the ANPR dosent give a reason for "no lock on".

mikeychiswick

Original Poster:

13 posts

261 months

Tuesday 29th March 2005
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Anyone know if the LASTEC LOCAL camera works at night??

supraman2954

3,241 posts

269 months

Tuesday 29th March 2005
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DeltaFox said:

gopher said:
Anyone know what method the cameras use to see past the headlights to view the number plate?



Infra red and the reflectivity of your plate makes it a cinch.
Yup. the retro type reflector behind the numbers will always return light/IR to the direction from where it came. Its like having a perfectly angled mirror all the time (for all directions). The camera/sensor may show the VRM being brighter than the (dipped) headlamps.

parrot of doom

23,075 posts

264 months

Tuesday 29th March 2005
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I wonder what would happen then if you bought a backlit numberplate (white) and shoved some big old bulbs behind it, but only giving out IR?

supraman2954

3,241 posts

269 months

Tuesday 29th March 2005
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parrot of doom said:
I wonder what would happen then if you bought a backlit numberplate (white) and shoved some big old bulbs behind it, but only giving out IR?
Assuming this is to make the VRM more difficult to read: The characters on the front of the plate would still be seen to be black as they would absorb the light from these bulbs, hence the VRM would still be easily readable. (unless I missed the point here).

A better solution would be to have the characters of the VRM transparent to IR (no IR bulbs needed); they would be invisible when illuminated with an IR lamp. Best bit is, in the case of a pull, they would look normal when checked with the naked eye under normal light.

Not sure if I should post this......too late

zcacogp

11,239 posts

274 months

Tuesday 29th March 2005
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supraman2954 said:
A better solution would be to have the characters of the VRM transparent to IR (no IR bulbs needed); they would be invisible when illuminated with an IR lamp. Best bit is, in the case of a pull, they would look normal when checked with the naked eye under normal light.
How would achieve such a ... cunning arrangement?

And DeltaF - what did you do to your front plate so that it achieved such magical properties?


Oli.

gopher

5,160 posts

289 months

Tuesday 29th March 2005
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supraman2954 said:

DeltaFox said:


gopher said:
Anyone know what method the cameras use to see past the headlights to view the number plate?




Infra red and the reflectivity of your plate makes it a cinch.

Yup. the retro type reflector behind the numbers will always return light/IR to the direction from where it came. Its like having a perfectly angled mirror all the time (for all directions). The camera/sensor may show the VRM being brighter than the (dipped) headlamps.


Doesn't glass block IR signals?

supraman2954

3,241 posts

269 months

Tuesday 29th March 2005
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zcacogp said:

supraman2954 said:
A better solution would be to have the characters of the VRM transparent to IR (no IR bulbs needed); they would be invisible when illuminated with an IR lamp. Best bit is, in the case of a pull, they would look normal when checked with the naked eye under normal light.

How would achieve such a ... cunning arrangement?

Easy, buy appropriate material, cut it out, stick it onto a blank! I found an online supplier very quickly.

Let me know how you get on

supraman2954

3,241 posts

269 months

Tuesday 29th March 2005
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gopher said:

Doesn't glass block IR signals?

Glass will block (far) IR, but is usually transparent for near IR (typical laser speedgun wavelength).
If glass blocked all IR, how would laser speedguns function? (they use collimating lenses)

edited for typo

>> Edited by supraman2954 on Tuesday 29th March 19:17

gopher

5,160 posts

289 months

Tuesday 29th March 2005
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supraman2954 said:


Glass will block (far) IR, but is usually transparent for near IR (typical laser speedgun wavelength).


Ah, ok that's that idea out then, back to metal number plate and kettle element it is....

DeltaFox

3,839 posts

262 months

Tuesday 29th March 2005
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supraman2954 said:

parrot of doom said:
I wonder what would happen then if you bought a backlit numberplate (white) and shoved some big old bulbs behind it, but only giving out IR?

Assuming this is to make the VRM more difficult to read: The characters on the front of the plate would still be seen to be black as they would absorb the light from these bulbs, hence the VRM would still be easily readable. (unless I missed the point here).

A better solution would be to have the characters of the VRM transparent to IR (no IR bulbs needed); they would be invisible when illuminated with an IR lamp. Best bit is, in the case of a pull, they would look normal when checked with the naked eye under normal light.

Not sure if I should post this......too late


Been there, done that..T shirt anyone?

parrot of doom

23,075 posts

264 months

Tuesday 29th March 2005
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supraman2954 said:

A better solution would be to have the characters of the VRM transparent to IR


Hmm, I wonder if any of the local lighting companies supply gels that filter IR - I know its perfectly possible to get filters that block IR for stills cameras........

boosted ls1

21,200 posts

290 months

Tuesday 29th March 2005
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supraman2954 said:

zcacogp said:


supraman2954 said:
A better solution would be to have the characters of the VRM transparent to IR (no IR bulbs needed); they would be invisible when illuminated with an IR lamp. Best bit is, in the case of a pull, they would look normal when checked with the naked eye under normal light.


How would achieve such a ... cunning arrangement?


Easy, buy appropriate material, cut it out, stick it onto a blank! I found an online supplier very quickly.

Let me know how you get on


Call me a thickie if you like but what sort of search words would one use to discover this magic material

Boosted.