Saw something yesterday, didn't call police, feel guilty.
Saw something yesterday, didn't call police, feel guilty.
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cjs racing.

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2,508 posts

158 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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Traveling up the M42 yesterday evening, and I ended up behind a hatchback (can't remember what it was) that had no back window, apart from some broken remnants stuck to the bonding glue.

There were 2 unrestrained kids in the back seat, around 5 to 8 years old, hard to say from behind. They were standing up, jumping, and all over the back seat.

As I was in my Transit, and my phone was in my glovebox I couldn't reach it safely, so decided to do nothing, in the hope that someone else would.

I'm now beating myself up that I did nothing, I should have stopped on the hard shoulder, or taken a junction, anything to alert the police to the danger those kids were in.

I assume they never fell out the back, as that would make the national news, but still feel really guilty that I took no action.

surveyor

18,689 posts

213 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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next time you will do different...

Buffalo

5,481 posts

283 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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The first line of responsibility lies with parents, and/or whoever was driving. At the end of the day, if that person didn't see anything wrong with a) driving on a motorway with a bust out window and b) unrestrained kids, what exactly could you have done in the long term?

cjs racing.

Original Poster:

2,508 posts

158 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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Why the move to SP+L?

I figured the Lounge was more appropriate, as I was just seeking a little reassurance in my head, not really a legal matter.

ging84

9,548 posts

175 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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how did any of us survive as kids growing up in the 80s or before ?

Riley Blue

23,205 posts

255 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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When I was seven or eight I rode in the back of my dad's Morris 1000 Traveller without any rear doors on it - and lived...!

alorotom

12,778 posts

216 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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Riley Blue said:
When I was seven or eight I rode in the back of my dad's Morris 1000 Traveller without any rear doors on it - and lived...!
stop fibbing ... you clearly could not have survived such an ordeal of that magnitude ... you obviously fell out and were subsequently run over over Mrs Miggins' Morris Marina and then trampled by a romp of otters

back on topic, OP, personally I would move on and forget about this and just think on for future and what you will do differently.

MDMA .

10,682 posts

130 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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ging84 said:
how did any of us survive as kids growing up in the 80s or before ?
Pre Brexit. Dontchaknowsmile

J4CKO

46,813 posts

229 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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ging84 said:
how did any of us survive as kids growing up in the 80s or before ?
Yes, but the ones that didnt survive stupidity or misadventure arent here to tell, like the lad i went to school with who was messing about on the railway and got some free volts and amps for his trouble.

Or the two sets of brothers who died from drugs.


PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

205 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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You can call 999 from your mobile when driving, no need to pull over.

gr1340

987 posts

232 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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PAULJ5555 said:
You can call 999 from your mobile when driving, no need to pull over.
Indeed you can:
https://www.gov.uk/using-mobile-phones-when-drivin...

When you can use a hand-held phone
You can use a hand-held phone if either of these apply:

you’re safely parked
you need to call 999 or 112 in an emergency and it’s unsafe or impractical to stop

AlasdairMc

555 posts

156 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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PAULJ5555 said:
You can call 999 from your mobile when driving, no need to pull over.
Not if you can't reach your phone safely as it's in the glove box...

chonok

1,178 posts

264 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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So what would happen if you reached for your phone to dial 999, then while distracted rear-ended the car with no rear window and killed the kids?

WinstonWolf

72,863 posts

268 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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ging84 said:
how did any of us survive as kids growing up in the 80s or before ?
If you climb over the rear seat in an air-cooled Beetle there's a child sized gap that's perfect for sleeping in on long journeys biggrin

Lovely and warm too...

MockingJay

1,314 posts

158 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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Riley Blue said:
When I was seven or eight I rode in the back of my dad's Morris 1000 Traveller without any rear doors on it - and lived...!
My friends dad used to bundle about 6 of us onto the bed of his pick up and drive us up the park to football like that. Amazing none of us ever fell out.

RTB

8,273 posts

287 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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MockingJay said:
My friends dad used to bundle about 6 of us onto the bed of his pick up and drive us up the park to football like that. Amazing none of us ever fell out.
Not the safest but we used to do something similar. We used to go a caravan park in north wales in the back of a mates dads builders van. The kids (4 of us in all) would all be loaded in and spent 4-5 hours sliding about in the back of a van with an assortment of tool boxes, step ladders, power tools etc etc. Makes me shudder to think what would have happened had we had a smash. I can't imagine the scene that would have presented itself to the emergency services had we taken a washing-machine-like tumble down an embankment.....


As for the OP, I'm not sure I'd have called the police. By the time you've gotten through to a control centre, they've relayed it to a patrol car and the patrol car has found the right bit of motorway heading in the right direction the car in question could have been anywhere. Ultimately the parents are the ones responsible. My two boys protest very loudly if I even start the engine before they've put their seatbelts on.

PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

205 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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AlasdairMc said:
PAULJ5555 said:
You can call 999 from your mobile when driving, no need to pull over.
Not if you can't reach your phone safely as it's in the glove box...
Pull over get the phone out and start driving again - problem solved

PistonBroker

2,710 posts

255 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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ging84 said:
how did any of us survive as kids growing up in the 80s or before ?
I'm pretty sure I survived as a result of spending the 80s being driven around in a SAAB with rear seatbelts. ;-)

(But I take your point as Mrs Pistonbroker spent the 80s unrestrained in the back of Fords and Austins)

Ari

19,814 posts

244 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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ging84 said:
how did any of us survive as kids growing up in the 80s or before ?
With regards to unrestrained children - presumably because we weren't involved in a heavy collision. Some unrestrained kids were, and didn't.

I always find these sorts of posts odd. 'My grandad smoked 40 a day and lived till he was 95 so obviously smoking isn't bad for you', that sort of thing. It takes a fairly special logic fail.

PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

205 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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Ari said:
ging84 said:
how did any of us survive as kids growing up in the 80s or before ?
With regards to unrestrained children - presumably because we weren't involved in a heavy collision. Some unrestrained kids were, and didn't.

I always find these sorts of posts odd. 'My grandad smoked 40 a day and lived till he was 95 so obviously smoking isn't bad for you', that sort of thing. It takes a fairly special logic fail.
I always use this line, (but not for smoking) just the everyday stuff we have all the time, someone told me the other day milk is not good for us so I said "I'm still here age 40 and my granddad lived to 90 and loved milk, everyweek there is something bad for us on the news.