End of a tenancy agreement
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Just need a bit of advice..
We moved into a rented house on the 31/12/16 with a tenancy of 6 months.
The house has been a hell to live in, not so much the landlords fault but more so lots of break ins down the road (private road), costing a lot to heat as there isn't a single bit of insulation etc anywhere.
Anyway, I had to give notice at the end of April (2 months notice) which was done.
I told the management company I can be out at the end of May if it helps to get another tenant in for June and I was more than happy with preparing to lose June's rent if need be but the new tenant had to move in by the 9th June so that seems pretty good all round.
We did our check out with the company on the 2nd as that was the closest they could do to the 31st May.
The landlord wants to keep 8 days of rent for this month (£426) where i'm in the belief that as we 'checked out' and handed over the keys etc on the 2nd that our contract ended on the 2nd and not the 8th.
I have no knowledge on this at all but £320 is £320.
Should I be paying up to the point the new tenants move in or from when I handed over the keys?
We moved into a rented house on the 31/12/16 with a tenancy of 6 months.
The house has been a hell to live in, not so much the landlords fault but more so lots of break ins down the road (private road), costing a lot to heat as there isn't a single bit of insulation etc anywhere.
Anyway, I had to give notice at the end of April (2 months notice) which was done.
I told the management company I can be out at the end of May if it helps to get another tenant in for June and I was more than happy with preparing to lose June's rent if need be but the new tenant had to move in by the 9th June so that seems pretty good all round.
We did our check out with the company on the 2nd as that was the closest they could do to the 31st May.
The landlord wants to keep 8 days of rent for this month (£426) where i'm in the belief that as we 'checked out' and handed over the keys etc on the 2nd that our contract ended on the 2nd and not the 8th.
I have no knowledge on this at all but £320 is £320.
Should I be paying up to the point the new tenants move in or from when I handed over the keys?
rich12 said:
Just need a bit of advice..
We moved into a rented house on the 31/12/16 with a tenancy of 6 months.
The house has been a hell to live in, not so much the landlords fault but more so lots of break ins down the road (private road), costing a lot to heat as there isn't a single bit of insulation etc anywhere.
Anyway, I had to give notice at the end of April (2 months notice) which was done.
I told the management company I can be out at the end of May if it helps to get another tenant in for June and I was more than happy with preparing to lose June's rent if need be but the new tenant had to move in by the 9th June so that seems pretty good all round.
We did our check out with the company on the 2nd as that was the closest they could do to the 31st May.
The landlord wants to keep 8 days of rent for this month (£426) where i'm in the belief that as we 'checked out' and handed over the keys etc on the 2nd that our contract ended on the 2nd and not the 8th.
I have no knowledge on this at all but £320 is £320.
Should I be paying up to the point the new tenants move in or from when I handed over the keys?
So your tenancy ends 30.6.17.We moved into a rented house on the 31/12/16 with a tenancy of 6 months.
The house has been a hell to live in, not so much the landlords fault but more so lots of break ins down the road (private road), costing a lot to heat as there isn't a single bit of insulation etc anywhere.
Anyway, I had to give notice at the end of April (2 months notice) which was done.
I told the management company I can be out at the end of May if it helps to get another tenant in for June and I was more than happy with preparing to lose June's rent if need be but the new tenant had to move in by the 9th June so that seems pretty good all round.
We did our check out with the company on the 2nd as that was the closest they could do to the 31st May.
The landlord wants to keep 8 days of rent for this month (£426) where i'm in the belief that as we 'checked out' and handed over the keys etc on the 2nd that our contract ended on the 2nd and not the 8th.
I have no knowledge on this at all but £320 is £320.
Should I be paying up to the point the new tenants move in or from when I handed over the keys?
You have been allowed to go early from the date new tenants move in
new tenants move in 9.6.17. ie we release tenants early provided the owner does not lose rental income.
You need to pay the rent to the date new tenants moved in. Not the date you handed keys back as you are still responsible for the rent to the 8.6.17
It takes some days and thus need to have a property empty so carry out checkouts, gas safety, new inventory etc so about a week gap is about right - you are saving rent by not paying to the end of your tenancy hence why the benefit to you.
Edited by superlightr on Wednesday 21st June 19:58
For some reason I do not know this is still ongoing and I still haven't had a penny back.
The new tenants were supposed to move in on the 8th but still haven't.
I spoke to the new tenants about 2 weeks ago and she said they were just waiting for the house to be cleaned before they move in.
I've just spoken to the property management company and apparently they can't get hold of the landlord still.
I know our tenancy technically doesn't end until the end of June but we checked out on the 2nd and I know she had the report on the 5th.
What is going on? Is there some sort of plan to keep mine going until the end of the month?
I've been really good to the landlord, made some great improvements to the house and even left the alarm I paid for but am now going to be removing it all.
The new tenants were supposed to move in on the 8th but still haven't.
I spoke to the new tenants about 2 weeks ago and she said they were just waiting for the house to be cleaned before they move in.
I've just spoken to the property management company and apparently they can't get hold of the landlord still.
I know our tenancy technically doesn't end until the end of June but we checked out on the 2nd and I know she had the report on the 5th.
What is going on? Is there some sort of plan to keep mine going until the end of the month?
I've been really good to the landlord, made some great improvements to the house and even left the alarm I paid for but am now going to be removing it all.
Edited by rich12 on Wednesday 21st June 17:24
rich12 said:
For some reason I do not know this is still ongoing and I still haven't had a penny back.
The new tenants were supposed to move in on the 8th but still haven't.
I spoke to the new tenants about 2 weeks ago and she said they were just waiting for the house to be cleaned before they move in.
I've just spoken to the property management company and apparently they can't get hold of the landlord still.
I know our tenancy technically doesn't end until the end of June but we checked out on the 2nd and I know she had the report on the 5th.
What is going on? Is there some sort of plan to keep mine going until the end of the month?
I've been really good to the landlord, made some great improvements to the house and even left the alarm I paid for but am now going to be removing it all.
Unless you agreed (preferably in writing) that you would stop paying the rent on the 8th, you need to pay rent until the end of your tenancy. Not much else you can do. The new tenants were supposed to move in on the 8th but still haven't.
I spoke to the new tenants about 2 weeks ago and she said they were just waiting for the house to be cleaned before they move in.
I've just spoken to the property management company and apparently they can't get hold of the landlord still.
I know our tenancy technically doesn't end until the end of June but we checked out on the 2nd and I know she had the report on the 5th.
What is going on? Is there some sort of plan to keep mine going until the end of the month?
I've been really good to the landlord, made some great improvements to the house and even left the alarm I paid for but am now going to be removing it all.
Edited by rich12 on Wednesday 21st June 17:24
It could be that the agent/landlord have taken advantage of you surrendering your tenancy early, to carry out remedial works to the property, in which case you are only entitled to pay the rent up to the day the remedial works commenced.
It might be in the OP’s interest to pay a day time visit to the property.
It might be in the OP’s interest to pay a day time visit to the property.
Finally managed to speak to someone about it today. Although still not resolved.
Apparently they only moved in on the 20th due to them wanting the house thoroughly cleaned and some bits removing.
I left one of our wardrobes in the master bedroom and told the agent that we are happy for it to be left for the new tenant or we can come back and remove it. Apparently they did not want it so the management company have also had that removed which I'm pissed about as I would've taken it down and taken it to our new house.
He also said that the landlord has been travelling around so not been great with communicating and that the cleaners etc started the week before they moved in.
He's also suggested that she is going to claim for the removal of stuff that was left there before we moved in but has advised they won't let her do it.
So seems this is going to go on even longer than I thought.
Apparently they only moved in on the 20th due to them wanting the house thoroughly cleaned and some bits removing.
I left one of our wardrobes in the master bedroom and told the agent that we are happy for it to be left for the new tenant or we can come back and remove it. Apparently they did not want it so the management company have also had that removed which I'm pissed about as I would've taken it down and taken it to our new house.
He also said that the landlord has been travelling around so not been great with communicating and that the cleaners etc started the week before they moved in.
He's also suggested that she is going to claim for the removal of stuff that was left there before we moved in but has advised they won't let her do it.
So seems this is going to go on even longer than I thought.
Check the deposit conditions, I dont think they can deducted rental charges from the deposit as the deposit is classed for breakages and damages(Changing locks, making good repairs, removing wardrobes! etc) also I would have written on the checkout form that you agreed with the checkout company that you could either take the wardrobe at the time but it was agreed to leave it, if they if it was mutual they would have told you that you could be liable for disposal costs if that was not on the original inventory.
Also if the landlord is hard to get hold of that is not your issue. Was the property fully managed or did he use an agency to find tenants as you maybe fighting the wrong person?
The landlord did you a favour releasing from the tenancy early know he had new tenants entering in the future, I would be fair that you pick up the short fall, you could argue that in those 8 days you had no use of the property and you did not put any wear and tear in those 8 days.
the best thing I have learnt is get it in writing before you do anything, when you check in make sure you take pictures of any areas that have issues and either dont move in before they are sorted as some landlords will try and recover damage from the next tenant.
Always keep your money in an escrow account and have a 3rd party agreement that no one can touch until you both agree on a figure.
if you have put pictures up without permission then you have to make the walls good, all that means is fill the hole and try to match the colour with the closest shade, you do not have to paint the whole wall to make good.
you need to be firm and stand your ground as some of these people treat you like crap as you 'rent'
Also if the landlord is hard to get hold of that is not your issue. Was the property fully managed or did he use an agency to find tenants as you maybe fighting the wrong person?
The landlord did you a favour releasing from the tenancy early know he had new tenants entering in the future, I would be fair that you pick up the short fall, you could argue that in those 8 days you had no use of the property and you did not put any wear and tear in those 8 days.
the best thing I have learnt is get it in writing before you do anything, when you check in make sure you take pictures of any areas that have issues and either dont move in before they are sorted as some landlords will try and recover damage from the next tenant.
Always keep your money in an escrow account and have a 3rd party agreement that no one can touch until you both agree on a figure.
if you have put pictures up without permission then you have to make the walls good, all that means is fill the hole and try to match the colour with the closest shade, you do not have to paint the whole wall to make good.
you need to be firm and stand your ground as some of these people treat you like crap as you 'rent'
bmw320ci said:
Check the deposit conditions, I dont think they can deducted rental charges from the deposit as the deposit is classed for breakages and damages(Changing locks, making good repairs, removing wardrobes! etc) also I would have written on the checkout form that you agreed with the checkout company that you could either take the wardrobe at the time but it was agreed to leave it, if they if it was mutual they would have told you that you could be liable for disposal costs if that was not on the original inventory.
Also if the landlord is hard to get hold of that is not your issue. Was the property fully managed or did he use an agency to find tenants as you maybe fighting the wrong person?
The landlord did you a favour releasing from the tenancy early know he had new tenants entering in the future, I would be fair that you pick up the short fall, you could argue that in those 8 days you had no use of the property and you did not put any wear and tear in those 8 days.
the best thing I have learnt is get it in writing before you do anything, when you check in make sure you take pictures of any areas that have issues and either dont move in before they are sorted as some landlords will try and recover damage from the next tenant.
Always keep your money in an escrow account and have a 3rd party agreement that no one can touch until you both agree on a figure.
if you have put pictures up without permission then you have to make the walls good, all that means is fill the hole and try to match the colour with the closest shade, you do not have to paint the whole wall to make good.
you need to be firm and stand your ground as some of these people treat you like crap as you 'rent'
???Also if the landlord is hard to get hold of that is not your issue. Was the property fully managed or did he use an agency to find tenants as you maybe fighting the wrong person?
The landlord did you a favour releasing from the tenancy early know he had new tenants entering in the future, I would be fair that you pick up the short fall, you could argue that in those 8 days you had no use of the property and you did not put any wear and tear in those 8 days.
the best thing I have learnt is get it in writing before you do anything, when you check in make sure you take pictures of any areas that have issues and either dont move in before they are sorted as some landlords will try and recover damage from the next tenant.
Always keep your money in an escrow account and have a 3rd party agreement that no one can touch until you both agree on a figure.
if you have put pictures up without permission then you have to make the walls good, all that means is fill the hole and try to match the colour with the closest shade, you do not have to paint the whole wall to make good.
you need to be firm and stand your ground as some of these people treat you like crap as you 'rent'
err you really don't know what you are talking about.
cant use the deposit for rent ????
escrow account !!?
the deposit is there for any breach of the tenancy which includes rent arrears, leaving things in the property, cleaning dilapidations etc.
its been clearly said what his position is early in this thread.
Dilapidation are open to normal negotiations. He should not have left anything in the property after he vacated. yes he would be charged to have it removed or stored. Yes he is liable for the rent until the next tenants take over.
Edited by superlightr on Thursday 22 June 20:24
superlightr said:
bmw320ci said:
Check the deposit conditions, I dont think they can deducted rental charges from the deposit as the deposit is classed for breakages and damages(Changing locks, making good repairs, removing wardrobes! etc) also I would have written on the checkout form that you agreed with the checkout company that you could either take the wardrobe at the time but it was agreed to leave it, if they if it was mutual they would have told you that you could be liable for disposal costs if that was not on the original inventory.
Also if the landlord is hard to get hold of that is not your issue. Was the property fully managed or did he use an agency to find tenants as you maybe fighting the wrong person?
The landlord did you a favour releasing from the tenancy early know he had new tenants entering in the future, I would be fair that you pick up the short fall, you could argue that in those 8 days you had no use of the property and you did not put any wear and tear in those 8 days.
the best thing I have learnt is get it in writing before you do anything, when you check in make sure you take pictures of any areas that have issues and either dont move in before they are sorted as some landlords will try and recover damage from the next tenant.
Always keep your money in an escrow account and have a 3rd party agreement that no one can touch until you both agree on a figure.
if you have put pictures up without permission then you have to make the walls good, all that means is fill the hole and try to match the colour with the closest shade, you do not have to paint the whole wall to make good.
you need to be firm and stand your ground as some of these people treat you like crap as you 'rent'
???Also if the landlord is hard to get hold of that is not your issue. Was the property fully managed or did he use an agency to find tenants as you maybe fighting the wrong person?
The landlord did you a favour releasing from the tenancy early know he had new tenants entering in the future, I would be fair that you pick up the short fall, you could argue that in those 8 days you had no use of the property and you did not put any wear and tear in those 8 days.
the best thing I have learnt is get it in writing before you do anything, when you check in make sure you take pictures of any areas that have issues and either dont move in before they are sorted as some landlords will try and recover damage from the next tenant.
Always keep your money in an escrow account and have a 3rd party agreement that no one can touch until you both agree on a figure.
if you have put pictures up without permission then you have to make the walls good, all that means is fill the hole and try to match the colour with the closest shade, you do not have to paint the whole wall to make good.
you need to be firm and stand your ground as some of these people treat you like crap as you 'rent'
err you really don't know what you are talking about.
cant use the deposit for rent ????
escrow account !!?
the deposit is there for any breach of the tenancy which includes rent arrears, leaving things in the property, cleaning dilapidations etc.
its been clearly said what his position is early in this thread.
Dilapidation are open to normal negotiations. He should not have left anything in the property after he vacated. yes he would be charged to have it removed or stored. Yes he is liable for the rent until the next tenants take over.
Edited by superlightr on Thursday 22 June 20:24
and sorry for not using the correct terminology ESCROW = Rental Deposit Scheme.
Instead of ripping people genuine helpful replies why dont you try and come up with solutions yourself as you clearly have a lot to say and knowledge of the subject, are you a property solicitor yourself?
Write to your landlord
Your landlord is responsible for refunding your tenancy deposit to you. Their letting agent may return it to you if they manage the property for your landlord.
You can send a letter or email to your landlord or their letting agent to ask for it back.
Ask a tenancy deposit scheme to refund your deposit
You can ask a tenancy deposit protection scheme to refund your money if your landlord paid your deposit money into their custodial scheme. The refund process usually takes 5 to 10 days.
Use the tenancy deposit scheme's online refund process:
DPS
mydeposits
TDS
You or your landlord can ask the tenancy deposit protection scheme to refund:
your money in full
part to you and the rest to your landlord if you both agree the amounts
A tenancy deposit protection scheme can't refund your money if your landlord protected it using an insurance-based scheme.
If you are not sure if your tenancy deposit was protected, you can check online.
Check if your tenancy deposit has been protected
2. Challenge deductions from your deposit
Your landlord should write to you to explain any deductions they've made from your deposit. You can write to ask for an explanation if they don't.
Examples of when your landlord can make reasonable deductions from your tenancy deposit include if you:
failed to pay your rent
caused damage to the property
didn't leave the place clean
the definition of ESCROW
escrow
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LAW
noun
1.
a bond, deed, or other document kept in the custody of a third party and taking effect only when a specified condition has been fulfilled.
verbNORTH AMERICAN
1.
place in custody or trust until a specified condition has been fulfilled.
"those funds are escrowed for the purpose of improving municipal services"
bmw320ci said:
what cant you read with me saying " I dont think they can deducted rental charges"
and sorry for not using the correct terminology ESCROW = Rental Deposit Scheme.
Instead of ripping people genuine helpful replies why dont you try and come up with solutions yourself as you clearly have a lot to say and knowledge of the subject, are you a property solicitor yourself?
Solutions and the correct position? - I did, as have others already at the start of the topic.and sorry for not using the correct terminology ESCROW = Rental Deposit Scheme.
Instead of ripping people genuine helpful replies why dont you try and come up with solutions yourself as you clearly have a lot to say and knowledge of the subject, are you a property solicitor yourself?
Your reply by using the wrong terminology show you don't understand the situation as you would not use the words if you did understand the correct process eg- I would always keep the money in an escrow account ! -if you don't know its a legal requirement it has to be protected and has been for many years, You were also are also incorrect in your view about the rent and deposit. Rent arrears can be claimed and deducted from the deposit.
yes the other bits you mention were sensible but the 2 of the key ones wernt.
Edited by superlightr on Friday 23 June 14:50
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