Changes to Parking Regulations to include back lanes
Discussion
I've recently moved to a new rented property and as the parking spaces on the street are limited my landlord has kindly allowed me to use one of the two spaces to the rear of the property for free. It's an old B&B townhouse over three floors that's been converted in to two flats, with my flatmate and I sharing the 1st and 2nd floors, while the ground floor is currently undergoing renovation to be a studio flat.
This has been done on the premise that when the renovations are complete I would pay an agreed monthly fee to continue using the space. Happy days.
Today I've received a hand posted letter which states the following:
[i]5th June 2017
Re: Parking in your street
For many years we have been looking for a solution to the obstructions caused by inconsiderate parking in the access to the back lanes. After several attempts to persuade the council and the police to take action, with little success, we were advised to raise a petition. Many of you will remember signing it. It requested the laying of yellow lines in the alleyways. Consequently, I was invited to address a Decision Session with the Executive Member for Transport and Planning where I outlined the problems inconsiderate parking causes for residents.
The council officers said they preferred a solution which would redesignate the whole of your street as a Residents Priority parking area, to include the main carriageway and the back lanes. This would allow the council's enforcement officials to take action to vehicles without Permits parked anywhere In the street or back lanes. These are the officials who already patrol the area. Previously only the police could intervene in the back lanes because the parking order applied to just the parking bays.
An extra bay is being proposed outside Named House with a 30 minute limited parking place for 'Non-Permit' holders.
Recently notices about the proposed changes have been posted in the street. The text of those notices relevant to your street is copied below. Please note the deadline for raising any objections.
7. Introducing a 24hour parking place in your street between points 2metres and 7 metres south east of the north western property line of Named House to provide a 30 minute limited parking space for 'Non Permit' holders with a 30min No Return period, thereby revoking the existing 'No Waiting at any time' restrictions from within that length.
8. Amending the traffic regulations to accurately reflect and confirm amendments to the 'on street' layout of signage relating 'Residents Priority' parking area in your street thereby formerly restricting parking in the alleyways adjacent to Number 1 and the rear of properties 1-16 and 17-34 Your Street to Permit Holders.
A copy of the draft order, Statement of Reasons for making it and relevant maps can be inspected at Your Local Council Office during normal business hours. Objections can be sent by post to xxx or by email to xxx@y.com arriving no later than June 16 2017.
The Residents Association is sending this out to make sure you are aware, so that if you think you might be adversely affected by these plans you can raise an objection or make representation to the council (see notice above). Please make sure you do before the deadline.
Signed
Chairman of the Residents Association
Mobile
Address[/i]
On the day of moving in to the property I had noticed that there is trouble with parking, due to there not being enough space. It's a dead end street with 3-story townhouses and parking down only one side of the street. A permit costs about £200 tops for the year roughly. I'd agreed to pay the landlord £40 a month when renovations were done to the studio. Whilst I don't mind paying the landlord I don't fancy paying for a permit too for on street parking that is always full. Residents have to use nearby streets instead quite a lot it seems.
In the short time I've lived here I've not really experienced any difficulty parking. Once a tradesman parked a van in the lane where it widens considerably while he worked at the rear of a property on the neighbouring street, yet had left plenty of space. He had parked as far in as he could and there was no issue as I could navigate round it easily.
To get back to the street I need to reverse out round a tight corner between buildings due to having a larger car ( old 5 series). I have seen no issues with people blocking the lane with the exception of bins at the street exit on the morning of bin day. No issues with cars. The van I mentioned was considerate.
I intend to speak to the landlord over the weekend to make sure he's aware as he parks his truck next to my car when in the downstairs flat. He likely won't be happy to find out he could get a parking ticket or have to fork out for a permit. There is no gate so does the boundary lie where the building stops? If a gate was put in would that change the boundary to the gate? I'm thinking this is a viable option as the landlord is capable and I'd be happy to help (for a discounted rate on the parking of course!).
What are my options for objecting to this? Do I just email and hope for the best? What's the best way to go about it? The Chairman seems adamant this should happen. I don't use my car much as I don't need it to commute but I'd rather have the option to park in my own space as and when needed, not having to resort to parking streets away (if there's any space left). If it comes to it I can park it at my mates but that's a mile away and takes away the convenience.
Thanks in advance for any replies. Sorry for the long story!
This has been done on the premise that when the renovations are complete I would pay an agreed monthly fee to continue using the space. Happy days.
Today I've received a hand posted letter which states the following:
[i]5th June 2017
Re: Parking in your street
For many years we have been looking for a solution to the obstructions caused by inconsiderate parking in the access to the back lanes. After several attempts to persuade the council and the police to take action, with little success, we were advised to raise a petition. Many of you will remember signing it. It requested the laying of yellow lines in the alleyways. Consequently, I was invited to address a Decision Session with the Executive Member for Transport and Planning where I outlined the problems inconsiderate parking causes for residents.
The council officers said they preferred a solution which would redesignate the whole of your street as a Residents Priority parking area, to include the main carriageway and the back lanes. This would allow the council's enforcement officials to take action to vehicles without Permits parked anywhere In the street or back lanes. These are the officials who already patrol the area. Previously only the police could intervene in the back lanes because the parking order applied to just the parking bays.
An extra bay is being proposed outside Named House with a 30 minute limited parking place for 'Non-Permit' holders.
Recently notices about the proposed changes have been posted in the street. The text of those notices relevant to your street is copied below. Please note the deadline for raising any objections.
7. Introducing a 24hour parking place in your street between points 2metres and 7 metres south east of the north western property line of Named House to provide a 30 minute limited parking space for 'Non Permit' holders with a 30min No Return period, thereby revoking the existing 'No Waiting at any time' restrictions from within that length.
8. Amending the traffic regulations to accurately reflect and confirm amendments to the 'on street' layout of signage relating 'Residents Priority' parking area in your street thereby formerly restricting parking in the alleyways adjacent to Number 1 and the rear of properties 1-16 and 17-34 Your Street to Permit Holders.
A copy of the draft order, Statement of Reasons for making it and relevant maps can be inspected at Your Local Council Office during normal business hours. Objections can be sent by post to xxx or by email to xxx@y.com arriving no later than June 16 2017.
The Residents Association is sending this out to make sure you are aware, so that if you think you might be adversely affected by these plans you can raise an objection or make representation to the council (see notice above). Please make sure you do before the deadline.
Signed
Chairman of the Residents Association
Mobile
Address[/i]
On the day of moving in to the property I had noticed that there is trouble with parking, due to there not being enough space. It's a dead end street with 3-story townhouses and parking down only one side of the street. A permit costs about £200 tops for the year roughly. I'd agreed to pay the landlord £40 a month when renovations were done to the studio. Whilst I don't mind paying the landlord I don't fancy paying for a permit too for on street parking that is always full. Residents have to use nearby streets instead quite a lot it seems.
In the short time I've lived here I've not really experienced any difficulty parking. Once a tradesman parked a van in the lane where it widens considerably while he worked at the rear of a property on the neighbouring street, yet had left plenty of space. He had parked as far in as he could and there was no issue as I could navigate round it easily.
To get back to the street I need to reverse out round a tight corner between buildings due to having a larger car ( old 5 series). I have seen no issues with people blocking the lane with the exception of bins at the street exit on the morning of bin day. No issues with cars. The van I mentioned was considerate.
I intend to speak to the landlord over the weekend to make sure he's aware as he parks his truck next to my car when in the downstairs flat. He likely won't be happy to find out he could get a parking ticket or have to fork out for a permit. There is no gate so does the boundary lie where the building stops? If a gate was put in would that change the boundary to the gate? I'm thinking this is a viable option as the landlord is capable and I'd be happy to help (for a discounted rate on the parking of course!).
What are my options for objecting to this? Do I just email and hope for the best? What's the best way to go about it? The Chairman seems adamant this should happen. I don't use my car much as I don't need it to commute but I'd rather have the option to park in my own space as and when needed, not having to resort to parking streets away (if there's any space left). If it comes to it I can park it at my mates but that's a mile away and takes away the convenience.
Thanks in advance for any replies. Sorry for the long story!
Toltec said:
The council scheme will only apply to the alley itself not private land. If the landlord is going to charge you for a parking space then I'd suspect he owns it otherwise wtf?
I agree..You either currently park on private land in which case this doesn't apply, or you don't, in which case why pay the landlord?
I'm not sure i quite understand your arrangement
From what i understand you are parking on private land off of a back lane, which you don't pay for at the moment, but ultimately will be renting.
What's the issue?
If you are on private land, you will be out of scope, and if you are not on private land, why the hell are you paying the land lord to rent a space on the road?
From what i understand you are parking on private land off of a back lane, which you don't pay for at the moment, but ultimately will be renting.
What's the issue?
If you are on private land, you will be out of scope, and if you are not on private land, why the hell are you paying the land lord to rent a space on the road?
Thanks for the replies. I park in the bit marked in red in the image. The entrance to the alley is marked in green.
It's not clear to me where the boundary lies between what is regarded as private land and what is regarded as the alley itself. I guess where the dividing wall ends? The landlord seems a decent chap, would hope he wouldn't charge me for parking on council land!
I'll contact the council for clarification. Thought I'd ask the expert opinion of PHers first
Given that some of the neighbouring properties have built right up to the edge of the back lane itself, I'd be gobsmacked if the boundary didn't simply run in a more or less straight line up your image, putting your highlighted parking area firmly on the private property side of the line.
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