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After some advice please. My young Nephew has just received a NIP for 36 in a 30, dated 1st August. Trouble is, he is in the Merchant Navy and is now at sea for the next two months. He has 14 days to plead and I have all the details of the NIP as well as his driving licence. Could I plead guilty (he is) on his behalf? He's hoping for a SAC so he can do it when he gets back in a couple of months.
She has just sent me a photo of the NIP. He was recorded speeding on the 20.06.17 but the NIP was dated the 01.08.17. I know there's a 14 day period where he should of received it, but could this be because his car is either leased or PCP'd. Anyway there's a number there for Northumbria police so I'll give them a bell and ask what to do.
1st thing, no you can't fill his notice in on his behalf
You can communicate with the police ticket office but no need to.
Your nephew does have some communication so best thing to do is send a phot of the notice to him so he has it.
He can then email it to the police. Job done.
2nd, Him being away at sea makes no difference to the service of the notice, it just needs to be sent to the address on his vehicle registration. That's been done.
No need for your sister and you to be exchanging this between you, get the adult responsible involved.
3rd, we can communicate with machines orbiting Saturn so the ship presents little challenge. As you say, he has communications, use it.
If there is no email address on the ticket then perhaps call the office, explain the situation and get an email address.
If the police say email forms are not acceptable, tell them they are and as he is away at sea that's the best they are going to get.
4th, advise him that being away at sea won't make the ticket go away.
You can communicate with the police ticket office but no need to.
Your nephew does have some communication so best thing to do is send a phot of the notice to him so he has it.
He can then email it to the police. Job done.
2nd, Him being away at sea makes no difference to the service of the notice, it just needs to be sent to the address on his vehicle registration. That's been done.
No need for your sister and you to be exchanging this between you, get the adult responsible involved.
3rd, we can communicate with machines orbiting Saturn so the ship presents little challenge. As you say, he has communications, use it.
If there is no email address on the ticket then perhaps call the office, explain the situation and get an email address.
If the police say email forms are not acceptable, tell them they are and as he is away at sea that's the best they are going to get.
4th, advise him that being away at sea won't make the ticket go away.
tony wright said:
After some advice please. My young Nephew has just received a NIP for 36 in a 30, dated 1st August. Trouble is, he is in the Merchant Navy and is now at sea for the next two months. He has 14 days to plead and I have all the details of the NIP as well as his driving licence. Could I plead guilty (he is) on his behalf? He's hoping for a SAC so he can do it when he gets back in a couple of months.
My advice is Do NOT interfereWell surely this can either go easily or it can become awkward?
If OP simply ignores, it isn't addressed to him, so "doesn't get involved" - the person on the NIP will receive 6pts and a large fine for not responding to the NIP.
Of course once he returns home he can make a declaration, and then should get the option for 3pts and the smaller fine.
Alternatively the police force in question can be contacted, or the OP makes every effort to get in touch with the person on the NIP and it all gets sorted out within the next 28 days?
If OP simply ignores, it isn't addressed to him, so "doesn't get involved" - the person on the NIP will receive 6pts and a large fine for not responding to the NIP.
Of course once he returns home he can make a declaration, and then should get the option for 3pts and the smaller fine.
Alternatively the police force in question can be contacted, or the OP makes every effort to get in touch with the person on the NIP and it all gets sorted out within the next 28 days?
Stoofa said:
Well surely this can either go easily or it can become awkward?
If OP simply ignores, it isn't addressed to him, so "doesn't get involved" - the person on the NIP will receive 6pts and a large fine for not responding to the NIP.
Of course once he returns home he can make a declaration, and then should get the option for 3pts and the smaller fine.
Alternatively the police force in question can be contacted, or the OP makes every effort to get in touch with the person on the NIP and it all gets sorted out within the next 28 days?
Why would six points be awarded, please explain?If OP simply ignores, it isn't addressed to him, so "doesn't get involved" - the person on the NIP will receive 6pts and a large fine for not responding to the NIP.
Of course once he returns home he can make a declaration, and then should get the option for 3pts and the smaller fine.
Alternatively the police force in question can be contacted, or the OP makes every effort to get in touch with the person on the NIP and it all gets sorted out within the next 28 days?
tony wright said:
She has just sent me a photo of the NIP. He was recorded speeding on the 20.06.17 but the NIP was dated the 01.08.17. I know there's a 14 day period where he should of received it, but could this be because his car is either leased or PCP'd. Anyway there's a number there for Northumbria police so I'll give them a bell and ask what to do.
Do you know where your nephew was on the 20th of June? Was he home on leave?Where does your nephew keep his vehicle? Do other people use it with his permission?
SantaBarbara said:
tony wright said:
She has just sent me a photo of the NIP. He was recorded speeding on the 20.06.17 but the NIP was dated the 01.08.17. I know there's a 14 day period where he should of received it, but could this be because his car is either leased or PCP'd. Anyway there's a number there for Northumbria police so I'll give them a bell and ask what to do.
Do you know where your nephew was on the 20th of June? Was he home on leave?Where does your nephew keep his vehicle? Do other people use it with his permission?
SantaBarbara said:
tony wright said:
She has just sent me a photo of the NIP. He was recorded speeding on the 20.06.17 but the NIP was dated the 01.08.17. I know there's a 14 day period where he should of received it, but could this be because his car is either leased or PCP'd. Anyway there's a number there for Northumbria police so I'll give them a bell and ask what to do.
Do you know where your nephew was on the 20th of June? Was he home on leave?Where does your nephew keep his vehicle? Do other people use it with his permission?
tony wright said:
After some advice please. My young Nephew has just received a NIP for 36 in a 30, dated 1st August. Trouble is, he is in the Merchant Navy and is now at sea for the next two months. He has 14 days to plead and I have all the details of the NIP as well as his driving licence. Could I plead guilty (he is) on his behalf? He's hoping for a SAC so he can do it when he gets back in a couple of months.
Is the letter from the police just asking for the name and address of the Driver at this point?You could not plead Guilty on behalf of someone else
SantaBarbara said:
Stoofa said:
Well surely this can either go easily or it can become awkward?
If OP simply ignores, it isn't addressed to him, so "doesn't get involved" - the person on the NIP will receive 6pts and a large fine for not responding to the NIP.
Of course once he returns home he can make a declaration, and then should get the option for 3pts and the smaller fine.
Alternatively the police force in question can be contacted, or the OP makes every effort to get in touch with the person on the NIP and it all gets sorted out within the next 28 days?
Why would six points be awarded, please explain?If OP simply ignores, it isn't addressed to him, so "doesn't get involved" - the person on the NIP will receive 6pts and a large fine for not responding to the NIP.
Of course once he returns home he can make a declaration, and then should get the option for 3pts and the smaller fine.
Alternatively the police force in question can be contacted, or the OP makes every effort to get in touch with the person on the NIP and it all gets sorted out within the next 28 days?
Look up the Road Traffic Act 1988 Section 172. Only the driver can be prosecuted for a speeding offence.
As a NIP has been issued (to the registered keeper) it means he wasn't stopped at the time.
Therefore, at this stage, the police have no idea of the identity of the driver and cannot assume it was the RK.
Even if, in fact, they turn out to be the same person.
I found myself in a similar position a few years back. I received a NIP a week before deployment to Afghanistan. I rang TVP and told them i was due to deploy. I sent them proof of this in the form of a letter from my Sgt and they said they would put the case on hold until i returned. On return i called them and they said that they had wiped it off their system! Result.
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