Received a ticket for parking in a loading bay.

[Thankyou4calling]

Situation occured on a red Route (London) though I was parked in a bay marked "No parking except for loading-maximum 20 minutes"

I was less than 20 minutes (probably 5) and I was loading albeit into a car not a commercial vehicle. Sign didn't specify vehicle type.

Am I within my rights to park there?

Thanks

[SantaBarbara]

What was it that you were loading?

[herewego]

If there was a warden then they would see you loading, if there was a camera there would be a record of you loading, without those you should have some evidence you were loading, delivery note, receipt etc..

[Thankyou4calling]

I was loading boxes of various goods from an office, caught on camera not by a warden.

[kiethton]

I'd appeal it - they should have that on the camera....

[Pica-Pica]

Thankyou4calling said:

Situation occured on a red Route (London) though I was parked in a bay marked "No parking except for loading-maximum 20 minutes"

I was less than 20 minutes (probably 5) and I was loading albeit into a car not a commercial vehicle. Sign didn't specify vehicle type.

Am I within my rights to park there?

Thanks

Am I within my rights to park there? - No, of course not.
(loading/unloading - should be OK - from what it seems)

[Thankyou4calling]

Pica-Pica said:

Am I within my rights to park there? - No, of course not.
(loading/unloading - should be OK - from what it seems)

Why aren't I within my rights if i was loading?

[pincher]

I think he means that there is a difference between being parked (in the normal interpretation of the word)and loading/unloading.

That’s the way I read the post anyway.

[Pica-Pica]

Thankyou4calling said:

Pica-Pica said:

Am I within my rights to park there? - No, of course not.
(loading/unloading - should be OK - from what it seems)

Why aren't I within my rights if i was loading?

You did not ask that, you asked if you were OK to park.
Do you understand the difference between parking and loading/unloading? That is what you should know, and be able to prove that you were loading/unloading and not parking.

[Thankyou4calling]

Pica-Pica said:

You did not ask that, you asked if you were OK to park.
Do you understand the difference between parking and loading/unloading? That is what you should know, and be able to prove that you were loading/unloading and not parking.

How can I prove I was loading? The picture just shows the car parked in the bay. Doesn't show multiple shots of loading.

[Pica-Pica]

Thankyou4calling said:

Pica-Pica said:

You did not ask that, you asked if you were OK to park.
Do you understand the difference between parking and loading/unloading? That is what you should know, and be able to prove that you were loading/unloading and not parking.

How can I prove I was loading? The picture just shows the car parked in the bay. Doesn't show multiple shots of loading.

As others have said, receipt, invoice, word of receiver of said parcel/package/goods.
I was not being facetious, but you DID say, am I OK to park! If you knew you were delivering in advance, then a sign stuck in the car, hazards on (I am not a fan of people using those for non-hazards). These are not a requirement for unloading, so just get someone to affirm you were delivering and return letter as such. If you had a Ph.D you could leave a note, doctor on call! (Yes I know you were done by a camera)

So to repeat, get someone to confirm your delivery, and send that, e-Mail should be OK, as far as I can see - perhaps better.

Incidentally, you say 'picture shows the car parked in the bay'. For goodness sake get your terminology right if you are contesting! Try 'the picture shows the car STATIONARY in the bay' and not PARKED.

[Thankyou4calling]

Seems a bit much to have to jump through all these hoops to prove I was loading.

Not trying to be clever (and I will get a letter from my associate who owns the business I was collecting/loading from) but I would've thought the onus was on the authority to prove I was guilty.

A picture doesn't do this.

[Pica-Pica]

Well, OP, you can give them all that information up front, or play with them. That is, say you were unloading, and challenge them. Then let them get back to you. I agree it is a pain, but what else is there? I presume you have read any small print in the fine. I assume it is Council controlled, and not private.

[Thankyou4calling]

Yes it is council controlled. I'll respond and see what they say.

Thanks for the tip about saying "stopped as opposed to "parked"

[herewego]

They wont have just a single picture, there will be video so appeal asking them to review the video. If they resist then take it to tribunal stating the video must be available for adjudicator to see. If no video then adjudicator will have to dismiss as no evidence. Just my opinion.

[PurpleMoonlight]

Thankyou4calling said:

I was loading boxes of various goods from an office, caught on camera not by a warden.

That doesn't in itself justify loading. It could have been three staplers in their boxes.

Generally it needs to be large items which cannot easily be carried a distance. I think many councils publish their criteria.

[Thankyou4calling]

PurpleMoonlight said:

That doesn't in itself justify loading. It could have been three staplers in their boxes.

Generally it needs to be large items which cannot easily be carried a distance. I think many councils publish their criteria.

The sign says loading only, doesn't say what or what into. i was loading, I was in a loading bay. I wasn't in it for more than the published time. I am an innocent man.

[SantaBarbara]

Thankyou4calling said:

Situation occured on a red Route (London) though I was parked in a bay marked "No parking except for loading-maximum 20 minutes"

I was less than 20 minutes (probably 5) and I was loading albeit into a car not a commercial vehicle. Sign didn't specify vehicle type.

Am I within my rights to park there?

Thanks

How big and how heavy were the boxes?

[Pica-Pica]

SantaBarbara said:

Thankyou4calling said:

Situation occured on a red Route (London) though I was parked in a bay marked "No parking except for loading-maximum 20 minutes"

I was less than 20 minutes (probably 5) and I was loading albeit into a car not a commercial vehicle. Sign didn't specify vehicle type.

Am I within my rights to park there?

Thanks

How big and how heavy were the boxes?

That is for OP to know, and Council to wonder! Delivery could be small but emergency. What is emergency?, inkjet running out, first aid supplies, epipen, medication?
Parking, loading, delivering, seems a spectrum rather than absolutes.

Edited by Pica-Pica on Saturday 7th October 18:52

[TallPaul]

SantaBarbara said:

Thankyou4calling said:

Situation occured on a red Route (London) though I was parked in a bay marked "No parking except for loading-maximum 20 minutes"

I was less than 20 minutes (probably 5) and I was loading albeit into a car not a commercial vehicle. Sign didn't specify vehicle type.

Am I within my rights to park there?

Thanks

How big and how heavy were the boxes?

I dont know of any council that can actually enforce ticket based on whatever you're loading not being heavy enough, I've successfully contested a ticket for collecting keys, admittedly it went to appeal.
Read this: http://www.appealnow.com/loading-and-unloading-par...
Edit to say: It does note it was business use but doesnt mention a commercial vehicle.

Edited by TallPaul on Saturday 7th October 19:37