Unprotected tenancy deposit
Unprotected tenancy deposit
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joyless lobotomised parrot

Original Poster:

5,637 posts

141 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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I rent a posh flat from an upmarket firm of greedy cowboys.

They've pocketed my deposit (£2475) rather than protect it via the prescribed schemes.

We'll be leaving the flat soon.

Should I take advantage of this situation and earn a nice compensatory payout (100-300% of the deposit) ?

Or should I just 'man up' and ignore this golden opportunity to skin a rogue agent for breaching my rights? (and, of course, breaking the law).

Edited by joyless lobotomised parrot on Wednesday 4th April 15:29

anonymous-user

84 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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If they have been reasonable I would probably leave it.

If they've been crap, or try and stiff you at the handover I'd do them for as much as possible.


randlemarcus

13,646 posts

261 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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Do the cowboys own the property, or just manage it? If the latter, you're going to be suing the landlord anyway, so potentially a nice bloke loses out because he trusted a spiv with a fat tie.

I wouldn't sue reflexively, but definitely hold as a trump card for arguments. Damn shame there isn't a tenant/landlord/agent feedback site smile

kiethton

14,648 posts

210 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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I'd only be tempted to progress things should they attempt to try and withhold any element of the deposit.....

mdglen

91 posts

192 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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Sue!

The landlord has a legal duty to protect your deposit, and being sued might remind them of this. The only get out is if the landlord has employed a letting agency to manage the tenancy, in which case the liability lies with them.

joyless lobotomised parrot

Original Poster:

5,637 posts

141 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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They're a hard-nosed crowd who also own the place (tho' do their best to avoid disclosing that) who've not done any of the small running repairs requested in the 5 months we've been here. Don't get the feeling of much respect for their clients and haven't the slightest doubt what they'd do in the reverse situation. So......

SUE IT IS!! laugh




BMWBen

4,906 posts

231 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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Make sure you report back here as it progresses!

joyless lobotomised parrot

Original Poster:

5,637 posts

141 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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BMWBen said:
Make sure you report back here as it progresses!
Will do, Ben. It's sure to be a carry-on in terms of time but I'll update as it unfolds.

Toltec

7,179 posts

253 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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joyless lobotomised parrot said:
They've pocketed my deposit (£2475) rather than protect it via the proscribed schemes.
Firstly it is prescribed, proscribed is the opposite meaning smile

Pocketed makes it sound like they have no intention of paying it back, in which case exploring the legal angle is definitely your come back. If your landord is as hard nosed as you say it seems odd to leave themselves open to this compo earner.

I understand the reason behind the deposit scheme, but in the end the costs get passed back to the tennant so it also has a downside, except for the companies making some money by charging to hold the deposits of course.

fido

18,915 posts

285 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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kiethton said:
I'd only be tempted to progress things should they attempt to try and withhold any element of the deposit.....
I wouldn't after my last letttings experience - they know what they are doing (or were meant to have done).
Straight to solicitor who will hopefully settle with them .. 2x + they pay solicitor costs would suffice.

joyless lobotomised parrot

Original Poster:

5,637 posts

141 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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Toltec said:
Firstly it is prescribed, proscribed is the opposite meaning smile

Pocketed makes it sound like they have no intention of paying it back, in which case exploring the legal angle is definitely your come back. If your landord is as hard nosed as you say it seems odd to leave themselves open to this compo earner.

I understand the reason behind the deposit scheme, but in the end the costs get passed back to the tennant so it also has a downside, except for the companies making some money by charging to hold the deposits of course.
Thanks for the spelling heads up. Altered now.

'Pocketed' means they have pocketed it as opposed to protecting it. They aren't up to speed on letting agent regulatory legislation. No landlord registration details on adverts. No prescribed certification given to tenant on entry. Don't understand the time limitations on pat testing. No accreditation noted on paperwork. Apparently unfamiliar on tenants' rights in respect of 'peaceful enjoyment'. Etc etc. Shower of very experienced amateurs. They'd be eaten for breakfast lunch and dinner if they tried operating at the lower economic tenancy levels.

BTW 'tenant' only has two 'n's. wink

Edited by joyless lobotomised parrot on Wednesday 4th April 16:35

superlightr

12,920 posts

293 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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As a letting agent I would say pursue this. Cowboys should not be in business.


So, first off I would ask them for a copy of the deposit registration certificate and see what they say/provide.

When did you move in and what documents did they give you?

gently gently catchy monkey.


KevinCamaroSS

13,838 posts

310 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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Did you get the EPC certificate and Gas safety certificate if gas is in the property?

AndrewEH1

4,922 posts

183 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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superlightr said:
As a letting agent I would say pursue this. Cowboys should not be in business.


So, first off I would ask them for a copy of the deposit registration certificate and see what they say/provide.

When did you move in and what documents did they give you?

gently gently catchy monkey.
Private landlord here +1 on catching them with their pants down, but tread carefully!

joyless lobotomised parrot

Original Poster:

5,637 posts

141 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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On departure day (planned as 30/4/18) my brief will phone the agency to get the details of the deposit, starting with which deposit scheme it's with.

There only are 3 in Scotland and I phoned them all today. They have never heard of me/my tenancy.

The brief will then start the process of complaint report to the Housing and Property Chamber. The complaint will be withdrawn if a satisfactory offer is made prior to the H&PC decision which will be a compensatory payment of between 100 and 300% of the deposited amount, plus, of course, the deposit returned in full.

And that's about it, really.


xjay1337

15,966 posts

148 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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Enjoy your £6000 . Lol

Toltec

7,179 posts

253 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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joyless lobotomised parrot said:
Toltec said:
Firstly it is prescribed, proscribed is the opposite meaning smile

Pocketed makes it sound like they have no intention of paying it back, in which case exploring the legal angle is definitely your come back. If your landord is as hard nosed as you say it seems odd to leave themselves open to this compo earner.

I understand the reason behind the deposit scheme, but in the end the costs get passed back to the tennant so it also has a downside, except for the companies making some money by charging to hold the deposits of course.
Thanks for the spelling heads up. Altered now.

'Pocketed' means they have pocketed it as opposed to protecting it. They aren't up to speed on letting agent regulatory legislation. No landlord registration details on adverts. No prescribed certification given to tenant on entry. Don't understand the time limitations on pat testing. No accreditation noted on paperwork. Apparently unfamiliar on tenants' rights in respect of 'peaceful enjoyment'. Etc etc. Shower of very experienced amateurs. They'd be eaten for breakfast lunch and dinner if they tried operating at the lower economic tenancy levels.

BTW 'tenant' only has two 'n's. wink

Edited by joyless lobotomised parrot on Wednesday 4th April 16:35
Ha, touche - yes I missed the accent...

Sounds like they deserve what they get, it isn't that difficult, we let a house and have had the same private tenants for five years, though the letting agent sometimes gets small things wrong.

Tebbers

375 posts

181 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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Go to town on these prats. Can’t wait to hear how this develops. We threatened our previous landlords after they protected it late (and only after we chased it) and their solicitors ended up settling pretty quickly for about 1.5x the deposit amount.

Jasandjules

72,606 posts

259 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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If they are cowboys then the more people who take action to put them out of business the better IMHO.

anonymous-user

84 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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superlightr said:
... Cowboys should not be in business.

...
That's a bit harsh for those that run cattle ranches in Wyoming.

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