Private Plate - Withdrawing Right to Use?
Private Plate - Withdrawing Right to Use?
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elise2000

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1,983 posts

249 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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Hi All

Not sure if this is the right forum to post this, but:
Bought a personalised plate from DVLA 5yrs ago. Fitted to girlfriends car. Now split up (after getting married/divorced). Will she need any documents to transfer the plate to another car from me? Or worded differently, any way I can withdraw the right for her to use the plate at some point in the future? It's not desperate if I'm not able to, just thinking out loud!

Thanks

MrBen1

659 posts

148 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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Presuming it's on her car now, then it's her plate.

elise2000

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Thursday 3rd May 2018
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MrBen1 said:
Presuming it's on her car now, then it's her plate.
Oh well!

elise2000

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Thursday 3rd May 2018
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MrBen1 said:
Presuming it's on her car now, then it's her plate.
What about if she's taken it off her car and it's currently not on one?

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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MrBen1 said:
Presuming it's on her car now, then it's her plate.
Yup - the name on the V5C is the key. That's the person who has the say over the plate's allocation, in DVLA's eyes.

SlackBladder

2,654 posts

233 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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elise2000 said:
MrBen1 said:
Presuming it's on her car now, then it's her plate.
What about if she's taken it off her car and it's currently not on one?
In that case, I presume it will be retention in her name.

elise2000

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SlackBladder said:
In that case, I presume it will be retention in her name.
Ok, so it never defaults to who bought it/who's name in was originally in? Strange. Never mind.

SteveR1979

601 posts

171 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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elise2000 said:
Ok, so it never defaults to who bought it/who's name in was originally in? Strange. Never mind.
Not strange at all, its obvious.
How would second hand plate or car sales work if this happened??

TooMany2cvs

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156 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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elise2000 said:
Ok, so it never defaults to who bought it/who's name in was originally in? Strange. Never mind.
A plate is a plate is a plate is a plate.

It doesn't matter if it's A1, F1, a bog-standard vanilla AB18CDE, or if it's been brutally mangled in a vain attempt to spell out somebody's middle name. It's just a sequence of letters and numbers allocated to a vehicle registered to somebody - unless it's been moved to a retention.

It might be "private" to you, but if you flog the car and it's still on the V5C, then it's gone with the car. Even if it was worth a hundred times what you flogged the car for.

Bill

58,703 posts

285 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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It's probably best just to move on...

elise2000

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Thursday 3rd May 2018
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SteveR1979 said:
Not strange at all, its obvious.
How would second hand plate or car sales work if this happened??
Strange in as much that as when the plate is purchased you have to show entitlement to have the physical plates made up. Then if put on a vehicle owned by someone else their entitlement to use is then life long, without any future proof of entitlement having to be shown when transferring to another vehicle etc.

With 2nd hand sales, I believe (and may be wrong) that the number plate is put on retention/transferred to another vehicle and the vehicle is sold with its original plates?

I'm not an expert in this, obviously, hence asking the questions!

Edited by elise2000 on Thursday 3rd May 12:59


Edited by elise2000 on Thursday 3rd May 13:00

elise2000

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TooMany2cvs said:
A plate is a plate is a plate is a plate.

It doesn't matter if it's A1, F1, a bog-standard vanilla AB18CDE, or if it's been brutally mangled in a vain attempt to spell out somebody's middle name. It's just a sequence of letters and numbers allocated to a vehicle registered to somebody - unless it's been moved to a retention.

It might be "private" to you, but if you flog the car and it's still on the V5C, then it's gone with the car. Even if it was worth a hundred times what you flogged the car for.
So, am I right in thinking it's a plate?!

Yep, I get all of that. The question in a roundabout way was asking if the plate (that's what it is, right?), is now always under the ownership of the person who owned the vehicle it was originally put on (even if that's not the person who purchased it/who's name was on the certificate etc).


elise2000

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Thursday 3rd May 2018
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Bill said:
It's probably best just to move on...
And swiftly... Can I take the plate with me?!

Terminator X

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234 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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Whoever is the keeper of the car owns the plate as they can just offload it to retention in their name anytime they like.

TX.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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elise2000 said:
Strange in as much that as when the plate is purchased you have to show entitlement to have the physical plates made up
Same as any plate. You need to show proof when you get plates made up. Normally, that's the V5C. Before that comes through, you get the V750. Same with a freshly-registered import.

elise2000 said:
and that this entitlement is then life long, without any future proof of entitlement having to be shown when transferring to another vehicle etc.
The entitlement is the V5C in your name with the plate on it.

elise2000 said:
With 2nd hand sales, I believe (and may be wrong) that the number plate is put on retention/transferred to another vehicle and the vehicle is sold with its original plates?
You can do that, whatever the plate. But if you don't, that's the plate that's on the car when it goes.

It's very simple. If the V5C isn't in your name, it's not your plate...

Bill

58,703 posts

285 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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elise2000 said:
And swiftly... Can I take the plate with me?!
smile It seems a bit petty. It was a gift.

elise2000

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Thursday 3rd May 2018
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Bill said:
smile It seems a bit petty. It was a gift.
Haha, did I say it was a gift, or was I just lending it?!

Petty? That would depend on the value of the plate I suppose.

I'm really not bothered, was just interested how the system worked.

Edited by elise2000 on Thursday 3rd May 13:05

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

291 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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More importantly is the plate of any significant value?

Or are you being a deliberate ahole?

And of course, the usual....this thread is useless without pictures of the ex wife

elise2000

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Thursday 3rd May 2018
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Tyre Smoke said:
More importantly is the plate of any significant value?

Or are you being a deliberate ahole?

And of course, the usual....this thread is useless without pictures of the ex wife
Value? Depends on definition of significant. But not overly.

Not being an ahole, just asking a question out of interest! Like stated, not bothered.


DIW35

4,205 posts

230 months

Thursday 3rd May 2018
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elise2000 said:
So, am I right in thinking it's a plate?!

Yep, I get all of that. The question in a roundabout way was asking if the plate (that's what it is, right?), is now always under the ownership of the person who owned the vehicle it was originally put on (even if that's not the person who purchased it/who's name was on the certificate etc).
Technically you never own the plate. A number is allocated to a vehicle by the DVLA and if you sell the vehicle, the plate goes with it. To avoid that, if you want to keep the plate from a car that you intend to sell, you should put it on retention first.

In respect of your own plate, the DVLA will consider it to be associated with the car it is currently on. To put it on retention to transfer to another car or to someone else, the DVLA will accept such a request from the registered keeper of the car it is currently associated with.

At no point does anyone 'own' the plate, just the rights to be able to move it around.