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A friend of mine recently received a NIP for not stopping after an accident in Plymouth. It was his car reg and the correct car (black Citroen Picasso) on the NIP. He was nowhere near Plymouth and had witnesses that the car was in Southampton at the time. He phoned up the Plymouth Police and explained and the Policeman on the phone said the vehicle involved was a Red Fiat. He never heard anything more about it. The question is why don't the Police check these thing before issuing a NIP, surely they knew it was a red Fiat but just sent out the NIP for a black Citroen?
An ex-colleague (and a barrister) received a 3am visit from the BiB because a vehicle reportedly with the VRM of his car had been involved in a 'ram-raid' some 60 miles away.
When he questioned the BiB, they informed him that the raid had occured some 15 minutes previously, that the vehicle involved was a large "Landcruiser-type" 4X4 and that it would have sustained very noticable damage.
He asked whether they had felt the bonnet of his car (which was parked on the drive - he had no garage - and stone cold) ... they hadn't. He then queried the possibility that an Audi A4 looked like a Toyota Landcruiser ... they though it unlikely. He sought their opinion as to the presence of any damage to his vehicle, consistent with being used in a ram-raid ... they admitted there was none. He then icily enquired how they expected him to travel 60 miles in 15 minutes ... they had no answer. He suggested that perhaps his VRM had been cloned ... they agreed it was probable.
He showed them the door and went back to bed.
I wonder when they might have guessed his profession
.
Streaky
When he questioned the BiB, they informed him that the raid had occured some 15 minutes previously, that the vehicle involved was a large "Landcruiser-type" 4X4 and that it would have sustained very noticable damage.
He asked whether they had felt the bonnet of his car (which was parked on the drive - he had no garage - and stone cold) ... they hadn't. He then queried the possibility that an Audi A4 looked like a Toyota Landcruiser ... they though it unlikely. He sought their opinion as to the presence of any damage to his vehicle, consistent with being used in a ram-raid ... they admitted there was none. He then icily enquired how they expected him to travel 60 miles in 15 minutes ... they had no answer. He suggested that perhaps his VRM had been cloned ... they agreed it was probable.
He showed them the door and went back to bed.
I wonder when they might have guessed his profession
. Streaky
I've told this story here before, in short I had to convince 2 Leicester police officers at my home that I had not driven through a red light cam.
When they produced the pic it was of a saloon, my car was an estate.
I pointed out that I had put this in writing earlier and that the details were on the V5.
Various plod have tried to tell me that they were gathering "useful information". I still know that they came to my door convinced I was the driver they had a pic of......
If both cars had been saloons or estates I would have points on my licence.
There seems to be a lack of "common sense" checking.
Nobody will ever convince me that cameras can be trusted.
When they produced the pic it was of a saloon, my car was an estate.
I pointed out that I had put this in writing earlier and that the details were on the V5.
Various plod have tried to tell me that they were gathering "useful information". I still know that they came to my door convinced I was the driver they had a pic of......
If both cars had been saloons or estates I would have points on my licence.
There seems to be a lack of "common sense" checking.
Nobody will ever convince me that cameras can be trusted.
This is happening more and more. Only last week I saw a Ford Sierra parked up in a less salubrious area. Front number plate read K258... Rear one read K528... Car was basically an "abandoned" or rather a pool car for scrotes. The rear was the real plate. I wonder how many petrol station drive-offs its done, Truvelos its gone through? The front plate came back to a Merc 190 from miles away.
Obviously anyone driving it is unlicenced/uninsured etc... I've said it before, cameras only catch those who register their cars and pay their fines. The group of drivers who have been shown by every piece of credible research ever done to be likely to have accidents, i.e. the unlicenced, the underage, the unisured, the disqualified, the drunk and the drugged - cameras are totally useless.
I won't go on about my plan to avoid NIPs which is also used by criminals - I've said it before.
Obviously anyone driving it is unlicenced/uninsured etc... I've said it before, cameras only catch those who register their cars and pay their fines. The group of drivers who have been shown by every piece of credible research ever done to be likely to have accidents, i.e. the unlicenced, the underage, the unisured, the disqualified, the drunk and the drugged - cameras are totally useless.
I won't go on about my plan to avoid NIPs which is also used by criminals - I've said it before.
streaky said:
An ex-colleague (and a barrister) received a 3am visit from the BiB because a vehicle reportedly with the VRM of his car had been involved in a 'ram-raid' some 60 miles away.
When he questioned the BiB, they informed him that the raid had occured some 15 minutes previously, that the vehicle involved was a large "Landcruiser-type" 4X4 and that it would have sustained very noticable damage.
He asked whether they had felt the bonnet of his car (which was parked on the drive - he had no garage - and stone cold) ... they hadn't. He then queried the possibility that an Audi A4 looked like a Toyota Landcruiser ... they though it unlikely. He sought their opinion as to the presence of any damage to his vehicle, consistent with being used in a ram-raid ... they admitted there was none. He then icily enquired how they expected him to travel 60 miles in 15 minutes ... they had no answer. He suggested that perhaps his VRM had been cloned ... they agreed it was probable.
He showed them the door and went back to bed.
I wonder when they might have guessed his profession
Streaky
How would they know he didn't have a Land cruiser as well as an Audi (with a number plate the same as his audi
)? 
Unless they asked him?
Clever barrister your mate!
gone said:True, but I refer you to the 15 minutes to travel 60 miles conundrum. Landcruisers are not noted for their better speed over a route than Audi A4s - Streaky
An ex-colleague (and a barrister) received a 3am visit from the BiB because a vehicle reportedly with the VRM of his car had been involved in a 'ram-raid' some 60 miles away.
When he questioned the BiB, they informed him that the raid had occured some 15 minutes previously, that the vehicle involved was a large "Landcruiser-type" 4X4 and that it would have sustained very noticable damage.
He asked whether they had felt the bonnet of his car (which was parked on the drive - he had no garage - and stone cold) ... they hadn't. He then queried the possibility that an Audi A4 looked like a Toyota Landcruiser ... they though it unlikely. He sought their opinion as to the presence of any damage to his vehicle, consistent with being used in a ram-raid ... they admitted there was none. He then icily enquired how they expected him to travel 60 miles in 15 minutes ... they had no answer. He suggested that perhaps his VRM had been cloned ... they agreed it was probable.
He showed them the door and went back to bed.
I wonder when they might have guessed his profession
Streaky
How would they know he didn't have a Land cruiser as well as an Audi (with a number plate the same as his audi
Unless they asked him?
Clever barrister your mate!
streaky said:
True, but I refer you to the 15 minutes to travel 60 miles conundrum. Landcruisers are not noted for their better speed over a route than Audi A4s - Streaky
So stupid plod make diligent enquiry and are berated for it.
Had stupid plod not bothered to make diligent enquiries, they would be berated for it!
Can you see a pattern here?
gone said:
True, but I refer you to the 15 minutes to travel 60 miles conundrum. Landcruisers are not noted for their better speed over a route than Audi A4s - Streaky
So stupid plod make diligent enquiry and are berated for it.
Had stupid plod not bothered to make diligent enquiries, they would be berated for it!
Can you see a pattern here?
I don't normally bother but you're talking boll*x again gone.
Diligent enquiry would have involved anticipating the barristers questions and deciding not to bother him. Since when has utilisation of intelligent and rational thought processes not been a part of 'diligent enquiry'.
What worries me is when someone clones the car and model colour correctly.
Two from our fleet have been cloned and used in robberies. Car park is by a main road, hundreds of passers by can see vehicles and VRN numbers. Drivers were subsequently roused from their scratchers in an early morning visit from the squad.
After a cloning scare I now park mine out of sight as far as possible and have some distinctive and rare stickers.
Gone's remarks noted and are fair comment indeed, though in such as Streaky's reported case it seems the manner of the approach could often quench the heat of an exchange.
We often see it on PH site, some folks get into scrapes because of their approach to matters.
"I'm sure you can appreciate, sir, that in the circumstances we do have to check ....."
A spoonful of honey catches more wasps than a barrelful of vinegar.
FiF
This doesn't mean I'm getting soft.
Two from our fleet have been cloned and used in robberies. Car park is by a main road, hundreds of passers by can see vehicles and VRN numbers. Drivers were subsequently roused from their scratchers in an early morning visit from the squad.
After a cloning scare I now park mine out of sight as far as possible and have some distinctive and rare stickers.
Gone's remarks noted and are fair comment indeed, though in such as Streaky's reported case it seems the manner of the approach could often quench the heat of an exchange.
We often see it on PH site, some folks get into scrapes because of their approach to matters.
"I'm sure you can appreciate, sir, that in the circumstances we do have to check ....."
A spoonful of honey catches more wasps than a barrelful of vinegar.
FiF
This doesn't mean I'm getting soft.
gone said:
True, but I refer you to the 15 minutes to travel 60 miles conundrum. Landcruisers are not noted for their better speed over a route than Audi A4s - Streaky
So stupid plod make diligent enquiry and are berated for it.
Had stupid plod not bothered to make diligent enquiries, they would be berated for it!
Can you see a pattern here?
They turned up within 15 minutes. If it had been our barrister friend, he would not have been in, since landcruisers cannot achieve 240mph. Therefore they could have waited till a rather more reasonable time of day, to 'make diligent inquiries'.
francisb said:
So stupid plod make diligent enquiry and are berated for it.
Had stupid plod not bothered to make diligent enquiries, they would be berated for it!
Can you see a pattern here?
plod are stupid ?
Difficult situation the BiB are in. You have procedure that must be followed even when its pointless. Seems that a fair amount of plod time is spent covering their own arses......
Flat in Fifth said:
What worries me is when someone clones the car and model colour correctly.
That's what worries me, in my case the clone was even the right colour. I'm unsure how I would establish my innocence if they had been the same model. Common car, common colour, nothing unusual to distinguish it.
I've wondered how many drivers have received NIP's for cloned cars and paid up thinking that "It must have been me".
Motorist, trial by camera. Guilty until proven innocent.
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