Police: Tell me about 6/4 (222) shifts
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Pros:
Two early mornings out of 10 (depending if you're a morning person or not).
Can use leave effectively i.e. book the last two night shifts off and have 6 off. Perhaps book three sets of nights off so only work 12 days in 30.
Decent shift overlaps so easier to manage handovers / get people off on time.
Late afternoon shifts (assuming a 17 x 03) on a weekend help support the night shift (assuming 21 x 07) teams.
Cons:
First day off ruined every set and having to reset back to days after ending on nights.
Can lead to a day 'owed' to the organisation over a 10 week cycle, unless uneven hours over the cycle are built in.
Cuts into weekends meaning few weekends off a year. Even worse if regularly cancelled for PSU and similar things.
My view was it should have been 6 days 4 off, 6 afternoon shifts 4 off, and 6 night shifts and 4 off. Not sure about the 'sleep science' behind that, but it'd save two of the first days off.
Pros:
Two early mornings out of 10 (depending if you're a morning person or not).
Can use leave effectively i.e. book the last two night shifts off and have 6 off. Perhaps book three sets of nights off so only work 12 days in 30.
Decent shift overlaps so easier to manage handovers / get people off on time.
Late afternoon shifts (assuming a 17 x 03) on a weekend help support the night shift (assuming 21 x 07) teams.
Cons:
First day off ruined every set and having to reset back to days after ending on nights.
Can lead to a day 'owed' to the organisation over a 10 week cycle, unless uneven hours over the cycle are built in.
Cuts into weekends meaning few weekends off a year. Even worse if regularly cancelled for PSU and similar things.
My view was it should have been 6 days 4 off, 6 afternoon shifts 4 off, and 6 night shifts and 4 off. Not sure about the 'sleep science' behind that, but it'd save two of the first days off.
They're regularly cancelling the third rest day at my nick and putting people on nights. So six on (finish on a night), sleep day 1, off day 2, day 3 nights, sleep day 4, back on earlies.
It's destroying people. But when the shifts are parading 4 due to losing 35% of available PCs due to cuts, its the only way they can keep the wheel from falling off.
It's destroying people. But when the shifts are parading 4 due to losing 35% of available PCs due to cuts, its the only way they can keep the wheel from falling off.
Elroy Blue said:
They're regularly cancelling the third rest day at my nick and putting people on nights. So six on (finish on a night), sleep day 1, off day 2, day 3 nights, sleep day 4, back on earlies.
It's destroying people. But when the shifts are parading 4 due to losing 35% of available PCs due to cuts, its the only way they can keep the wheel from falling off.
That’s incredibly unfriendly, has the Fed not kicked off about this?It's destroying people. But when the shifts are parading 4 due to losing 35% of available PCs due to cuts, its the only way they can keep the wheel from falling off.
Which force has gone to 6/4? Biggest issue I found was potentially only having 2 days out of 10 to progress investigations when normal working people are available and ending on a night every time was a bit poo... However 3 full days afterwards were always nice and only need to use 3 days leave for a full week...
We are running 6/3 with variarions on duty times which is hard. Mix of earlies/ lates, lates/half nights and lates/nights.
4/4 is where it's at though. Love it.
We are running 6/3 with variarions on duty times which is hard. Mix of earlies/ lates, lates/half nights and lates/nights.
4/4 is where it's at though. Love it.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 19th May 19:36
I do 6 on 4 off. Mixture of 8 hour to 10 hour shifts.
As La Liga states, good crossovers which gives you a buffer for some paperwork (used to work a pattern with some 11 hour shifts and no crossover!!) and takes some pressure off from always going home late when there is no crossover.
Getting up for just two earlies in 10 days is great.
Taking one set off for me means almost two weeks off and only 55 hours - 60 hours of leave taken.
Downside is always finishing on a night and we have two training days every 10 week rotation which impacts on rest days.
Overall, the best pattern I've worked.
As La Liga states, good crossovers which gives you a buffer for some paperwork (used to work a pattern with some 11 hour shifts and no crossover!!) and takes some pressure off from always going home late when there is no crossover.
Getting up for just two earlies in 10 days is great.
Taking one set off for me means almost two weeks off and only 55 hours - 60 hours of leave taken.
Downside is always finishing on a night and we have two training days every 10 week rotation which impacts on rest days.
Overall, the best pattern I've worked.
TheBear said:
I do 6 on 4 off. Mixture of 8 hour to 10 hour shifts.
As La Liga states, good crossovers which gives you a buffer for some paperwork (used to work a pattern with some 11 hour shifts and no crossover!!) and takes some pressure off from always going home late when there is no crossover.
Getting up for just two earlies in 10 days is great.
Taking one set off for me means almost two weeks off and only 55 hours - 60 hours of leave taken.
Downside is always finishing on a night and we have two training days every 10 week rotation which impacts on rest days.
Overall, the best pattern I've worked.
I second this. I did it for about 8 years and it's a great shift pattern, much better than the random 18 week life wrecker I'm doing now anyway. As La Liga states, good crossovers which gives you a buffer for some paperwork (used to work a pattern with some 11 hour shifts and no crossover!!) and takes some pressure off from always going home late when there is no crossover.
Getting up for just two earlies in 10 days is great.
Taking one set off for me means almost two weeks off and only 55 hours - 60 hours of leave taken.
Downside is always finishing on a night and we have two training days every 10 week rotation which impacts on rest days.
Overall, the best pattern I've worked.
Elroy Blue said:
My Force is on its knees. The PCC raised the council tax precept and then kept the majority of the money for his own office. He's an absolute shyster of the highest order.
Hampshire? Just as a ordinary tax payer the guy seems to me to be an utter self serving
. His empire building pushed up the precept by 7.5% this year, totally unacceptable.My force works 6/4, 6/4, 5/3 for response.
It's not quite 2/2/2 though. There's very little rhyme and reason to it, for example I'm in the middle of a set of 4 earlies and 2 nights. Other times it'll be 3 earlies, a backshift and 2 nights. Sometimes it'll be an early, 2 half nights, 2 backshifts.
People don't like it.
Neighbouring force uses 4 on 4 off which our chief will not do, but they say it's great and they can't get people off response willingly.
It's not quite 2/2/2 though. There's very little rhyme and reason to it, for example I'm in the middle of a set of 4 earlies and 2 nights. Other times it'll be 3 earlies, a backshift and 2 nights. Sometimes it'll be an early, 2 half nights, 2 backshifts.
People don't like it.
Neighbouring force uses 4 on 4 off which our chief will not do, but they say it's great and they can't get people off response willingly.
My force does this for response and ARV. People say it’s the best shifts they’ve ever worked. One of the big blockers for people coming off response and onto CID is that they don’t want to come off the 2x2x2 shifts, or lose the 10% shift allowance. We still have single rest days on the CID rota, which has been changed twice in the last three years...
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