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hedders said:It's "legal" to ticket at any speed over the posted limit ... there is only the potential for issue to be taken over the accuracy of measurement when the increment is relatively tiny. remember, the ACPO guidelines are just that ... 'guidelines' ... they can be ignored - Streaky
I didn't that it was legal to ticket at that speed!
What gives?
Mr E said:
I'm sure we've had this conversation before.
A close friend has just picked up 3 points.
His crime?
76mph on a dry, empty motorway.
Lowest speed on a M/way I've heard someone be nicked for. Hell, I cruise at more than that.
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>>> Edited by Mr E on Friday 29th April 02:34
Outrageous.
It's little wonder that protests such as the M4, or fuel blockades, are attracting so much publicity; they have touched a nerve.
To be given 3 points for 76 on an empty motorway is beyond the pale. Fair enough if you get caught doing silly speeds, but less than 10% over the limit? As a matter of principle, I would fight this all the way.
I'd fight it, they falsly lure people into driving five or 6 miles per hour faster by stating that they wont proscecute for 10 percent plus 2 mph, that means people think they can safely average speeds where the needle hovers just over the 70 mph limit in between 70 and 80 without fear of prosecution.
If they want to prosecute at those speeds then they shouldnt constantly state 10% + 2 falsly.
If they want to prosecute at those speeds then they shouldnt constantly state 10% + 2 falsly.
Mr E said:Bummer
I'm sure we've had this conversation before.
A close friend has just picked up 3 points.
His crime?
76mph on a dry, empty motorway.
Lowest speed on a M/way I've heard someone be nicked for. Hell, I cruise at more than that.
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>>> Edited by Mr E on Friday 29th April 02:34
Is it possible for you to take a scan of that NIP and post it? (sensitive details edited out)
dcb said:
76mph on a dry, empty motorway.
Lowest speed on a M/way I've heard someone be nicked for. Hell, I cruise at more than that.
In a temporary 50 mph limit, perhaps ?
If in a 70 mph limit, I'm sure the national red-top newspapers would be interested.
I'm sure the Telegraph would be too.
nelly1 said:
76mph on a dry, empty motorway.
Whereas in the rush-hour, EVERYTHING is doing about 85 and no-one gets a tug
...and that's why (at the moment) motorways are the safest way to travel by road - everyone travelling at their comfortable speed. But look at the number of accidents on the M4 since the cameras were installed...
james_j said:
Mr E said:
76mph on a dry, empty motorway.
...and that's why (at the moment) motorways are the safest way to travel by road - everyone travelling at their comfortable speed. But look at the number of accidents on the M4 since the cameras were installed...
The way I see it is that the ScamPs know that drivers will have more accidents at lower speeds but they don't care because the crash severity will be lessened by the lower impact speed.
More SIs and less Ks
cliffe_mafia said:
nelly1 said:
Mr E said:
76mph on a dry, empty motorway.
...and that's why (at the moment) motorways are the safest way to travel by road - everyone travelling at their comfortable speed. But look at the number of accidents on the M4 since the cameras were installed...
The way I see it is that the ScamPs know that drivers will have more accidents at lower speeds but they don't care because the crash severity will be lessened by the lower impact speed.
More SIs and less Ks
Lessened crash severity doesn't necessarily result from lowered speed limits. Drivers get bored, tired etc when travelling below their comfort / concentration level and may apply brakes later as a result...
It's speed of impact that's important and that's reduced by drivers who are comfortable with all aspects of their driving, not necessarily trundling along at an absurdly slow speed.
I found myself in a slow procession on the Mway recently and ended up in a 'sleep state' staring at the rear bumper of the car in front of me and the sparkly bits on the road between our two cars 
Not sure how long i was doing it for, but had to start changing lanes and stuff to keep myself alert.
Not sure how long i was doing it for, but had to start changing lanes and stuff to keep myself alert.
james_j said:
Lessened crash severity doesn't necessarily result from lowered speed limits. Drivers get bored, tired etc when travelling below their comfort / concentration level and may apply brakes later as a result...
It's speed of impact that's important and that's reduced by drivers who are comfortable with all aspects of their driving, not necessarily trundling along at an absurdly slow speed.
Yep, agreed, but that's the way they think - slow everyone down = less accidents or less bad accidents.
This is probably why it's not working! Their logic is far too simplistic.
dcb said:
76mph on a dry, empty motorway.
Lowest speed on a M/way I've heard someone be nicked for. Hell, I cruise at more than that.
In a temporary 50 mph limit, perhaps ?
If in a 70 mph limit, I'm sure the national red-top newspapers would be interested.
When you get in touch with them please be sure to include these 2 paragraphs from the ACPO Guidelines and explain very clearly how that "lures" drivers into exceeding the speed limit.
Extract:Driving at any speed over the limit is an offence. The differing speed limits are generally related, and proportionate, to the risks to all road users using that road. Where police officers consider that an offence has been committed i.e. that a motorist has driven at any speed over the relevant speed limit, they should consider whether it is appropriate to take enforcement action against the offender.
The Police Service now uses technology that enables it to prove that an offence has been committed as soon as a driver exceeds the relevant speed limit by a very small margin. Motorists will therefore be at risk of prosecution immediately they exceed any legal speed limit.
cliffe_mafia said:
Lessened crash severity doesn't necessarily result from lowered speed limits. Drivers get bored, tired etc when travelling below their comfort / concentration level and may apply brakes later as a result...
It's speed of impact that's important and that's reduced by drivers who are comfortable with all aspects of their driving, not necessarily trundling along at an absurdly slow speed.
Yep, agreed, but that's the way they think - slow everyone down = less accidents or less bad accidents.
This is probably why it's not working! Their logic is far too simplistic.
Wrong
As said above in this thread, many are ignoring the limit because they think it's safe and are mistakenly driving "faster to stay alert"!
The average speed of TRAFFIC must reduce, this is the link to accident and casualty reduction. Individuals thinking they are in a driving elite don't help to bring down the average speed of traffic.
The reason average speeds remain high rests mainly with the attitude that individuals exceeding speed limits don't matter. It does.
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