Le Mans - Speed Cameras
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anonymous-user

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84 months

Tuesday 19th June 2018
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Flashed twice (at least) over LM weekend. When do I expect to get the letter?
Can’t remember the speed limit but whatever it was I have no doubt I would have been well over it !

martinbiz

3,699 posts

175 months

Tuesday 19th June 2018
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Your car or hire car?


Pericoloso

44,044 posts

193 months

Tuesday 19th June 2018
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There's no time limit on fines from Eu,could be months.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

84 months

Tuesday 19th June 2018
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martinbiz said:
Your car or hire car?
My car. I had heard that it’s rare to get a letter so I was wondering if anyone in the PH Massive had ever had one.

surveyor_101

5,069 posts

209 months

Wednesday 20th June 2018
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I heard as the French secretly hate the British they hide never Calais with speed guns and target British cars.

I expect they can pursue us but, we can't them.



Edited by surveyor_101 on Wednesday 20th June 13:05

tivver500

376 posts

300 months

Wednesday 20th June 2018
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France has woken up to 'how much money we can make from speeding' to such an extent that the locals actually drive around withing the limits!!!
Although there has been a lot of protest about the forthcoming drop in national speed limit from 90kph to 80kph.
I would be very surprised if they miss the opportunity to relieve you of copious quantities of Euros.....
Also some of the 'speed enforcement' is sub-contracted to private firms!!!

During my recent week in Normandy (on the bike) we religeously stuck to the limit!!

The Surveyor

7,624 posts

267 months

Wednesday 20th June 2018
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V6 Pushfit said:
Flashed twice (at least) over LM weekend. When do I expect to get the letter?
Can’t remember the speed limit but whatever it was I have no doubt I would have been well over it !
Have things changed, certainly upto last year there was no facility for the French authorities to enforce speeding fines or points obtained from fixed cameras for UK vehicles. If they catch you there and then, there are on-the-spot fines, but not by fixed camera.

S11Steve

6,389 posts

214 months

Wednesday 20th June 2018
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You'll likely get a letter (french letter...!) in about 3-4 weeks by the time the DVLA have passed your details back. We're getting about 10-15 a week at the moment for our fleet and sending back the standard reply (in English) that the vehicle is on a lease and providing the user details for the foreign authority to follow up.

We're not getting any rejections, as some have suggested the owner is liable for the fines, rather than the driver.

One thing I have not been able to establish for certain is how these are enforced. It's all very well getting the keeper details from the DVLA, but if the keeper or driver simply refuses to co-operate, what can the foreign authorities do? I guess they can issue proceedings in France, a judgement is made, but then are they likely to enforce that here in the UK?


Marcellus

7,204 posts

249 months

Wednesday 20th June 2018
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surveyor_101 said:
I heard as the French secretly hate the British they hide never Calais with speed guns and target British cars.
no secret... although i think they still struggle to enforce fines in the UK.

CallorFold

860 posts

163 months

Wednesday 20th June 2018
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S11Steve said:
We're getting about 10-15 a week at the moment for our fleet and sending back the standard reply (in English) that the vehicle is on a lease and providing the user details for the foreign authority to follow up.
How does this sit with GDPR? Handing off personal information to a third party? Or is it not relevant in this scenario?

Marcellus

7,204 posts

249 months

Wednesday 20th June 2018
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CallorFold said:
How does this sit with GDPR? Handing off personal information to a third party? Or is it not relevant in this scenario?
GDPR gloves off as legal requirement to share

Pericoloso

44,044 posts

193 months

Wednesday 20th June 2018
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anonymous said:
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Is it too much to ask to spell foreigner correctly ?.......tongue out

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

84 months

Wednesday 20th June 2018
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S11Steve said:
You'll likely get a letter (french letter...!) in about 3-4 weeks by the time the DVLA have passed your details back. We're getting about 10-15 a week at the moment for our fleet and sending back the standard reply (in English) that the vehicle is on a lease and providing the user details for the foreign authority to follow up.

We're not getting any rejections, as some have suggested the owner is liable for the fines, rather than the driver.

One thing I have not been able to establish for certain is how these are enforced. It's all very well getting the keeper details from the DVLA, but if the keeper or driver simply refuses to co-operate, what can the foreign authorities do? I guess they can issue proceedings in France, a judgement is made, but then are they likely to enforce that here in the UK?
Are the vehicles actually leased? Or is there the ‘facility’ to give some random name and address back to them and give a cheery two fingered wave?

S11Steve

6,389 posts

214 months

Wednesday 20th June 2018
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V6 Pushfit said:
Are the vehicles actually leased? Or is there the ‘facility’ to give some random name and address back to them and give a cheery two fingered wave?
They are, and all to corporate customers. We don't have driver details either, but none of the issuing authorities come back to us requesting more details or insisting we have to pay.

I've no experience of how it works with private individuals in their own vehicle though. Anecdotally vehicles get stopped at ports, but given how many of our fleet cross the channel, the only seizures we have ever been notified of relate to contraband or immigrants, never unpaid fines.

Warmfuzzies

4,372 posts

283 months

Wednesday 20th June 2018
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surveyor_101 said:
I heard as the French secretly hate the British they hide never Calais with speed guns and target British cars.

I expect they can pursue us but, we can't them.



Edited by surveyor_101 on Wednesday 20th June 13:05
Not my experience, during Le Mans week I had locals waving and all sorts when the gendarmerie were on duty, jolly good eggs imho

M666 EVO

1,129 posts

192 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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I went a few years back and was told to stick within the speed limit as plod over there had got wise to silly UK peeps flexing their small dicks.

Amazingly I stuck to their speed limit as I didn't feel the need to show off how fast my car can go.

I even took in some of the scenery.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

84 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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M666 EVO said:
I went a few years back and was told to stick within the speed limit as plod over there had got wise to silly UK peeps flexing their small dicks.

Amazingly I stuck to their speed limit as I didn't feel the need to show off how fast my car can go.

I even took in some of the scenery.
You’re making assumptions that there’s no ferry to catch.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

139 months

Friday 22nd June 2018
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V6 Pushfit said:
You’re making assumptions that there’s no ferry to catch.
The fact he thinks exceeding speed limits is done in order to show off is indicative of his prejudice anyway.


Nevermind the fact it gets you to your destination quicker and is more entertaining, or less boring, in the process.

donkmeister

12,938 posts

130 months

Friday 22nd June 2018
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cmaguire said:
V6 Pushfit said:
You’re making assumptions that there’s no ferry to catch.
The fact he thinks exceeding speed limits is done in order to show off is indicative of his prejudice anyway.


Nevermind the fact it gets you to your destination quicker and is more entertaining, or less boring, in the process.
In fairness a Delta Integrale, whilst a fantastic and agile B-Road car, is probably not a pleasant place to be at sustained high speeds...

Unless you enjoy sitting at 6k rpm with your ears bleeding.

Whereas many of the GTs, supercars uber-barges are lovely places to cruise at speed. So it may be a misunderstanding of how the other drivers are not suffering to attain these speeds.

anonymous-user

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84 months

Sunday 24th June 2018
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V6 Pushfit said:
You’re making assumptions that there’s no ferry to catch.
Doesn't everyone pay the small extra and buy a flexible return? so if you are late or early you are always guaranteed a crossing?