Speed tolerances
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Just received my first speeding ticket in 57 years of driving. 46mph in a rural 40 limit. I make no excuses and take the punishment although it was unintentional. I thought 46 in a 40 was within the tolerances of 10% plus 2mph. Does anyone know if Cumbria police disregard the APCO tolerances?
ST2 said:
Just received my first speeding ticket in 57 years of driving. 46mph in a rural 40 limit. I make no excuses and take the punishment although it was unintentional. I thought 46 in a 40 was within the tolerances of 10% plus 2mph. Does anyone know if Cumbria police disregard the APCO tolerances?
40 + 10% + 2 = 46?While unlucky, you just managed the magic number for a ticket.
The table is only a small part of the guidance. Try the words: http://library.college.police.uk/docs/appref/ACPO-...
ST2 said:
Just received my first speeding ticket in 57 years of driving. 46mph in a rural 40 limit. I make no excuses and take the punishment although it was unintentional. I thought 46 in a 40 was within the tolerances of 10% plus 2mph. Does anyone know if Cumbria police disregard the APCO tolerances?
Whereabouts? I get about that way a fair bit. Useful to know (incase without PGPSW some time).Presume a NSL dropped to 40mph type thing? Seem to be fave revenue zones nowadays.
Still leaves plenty of B roads un-touched most of the time
rich888 said:
It's 20 for a reason: TAX
It's 30 for a reason: TAX
It's 40 for a reason: TAX
It's 50 for a reason: TAX
It's 60 for a reason: TAX
It's 70 for a reason: TAX
Discretion along with common-sense went out of the window years ago...
The majority of speeding tickets these days (including the OP's by the sounds of it), come from speed camera's rather than Traffic Officers - So please feel free to explain to us all, the magical new technology that allows a camera to use discretion.It's 30 for a reason: TAX
It's 40 for a reason: TAX
It's 50 for a reason: TAX
It's 60 for a reason: TAX
It's 70 for a reason: TAX
Discretion along with common-sense went out of the window years ago...
The speed limits are set for all manner of reasons, some make sense, some don't (for example, there's a long stretch of dual carriageway near to where I live, where most of it is limited to 50mph. A couple of the roads that come off that dual carriageway are single width country lanes, which have a National speed limit on them, so on the wide straight dual carriageway you can legally do 50mph, and on the narrow country lane you can legally do 60mph - Go figure!).
Whether you agree with the posted limits or not (and in your case, it seems you don't agree with them, as you seem to see all limits as being nothing more than a means to tax motorists - A bit of a strange view but there you go!), that is the speed you should be adhering to, and they're not some sort of secret limit that aren't sign posted, so if you do fail to adhere to the limit, you should be aware that there is a chance you're going to get a ticket for speeding.
If you should get stopped by a Traffic Officer today (which does still happen on rare occasions!) then, common sense and discretion can still be applied (I've had at least 5 stops by Traffic Officers for doing 100mph+ on motorways, one of which resulted in the reported speed being reduced to 94mph to give me a FPN,and with the other four, I was let off with a caution to slow down a bit), so it's complete nonsense to say "Discretion along with common-sense went out of the window years ago...".
In the OP's case, it could be claimed that "unintentionally" driving at 46mph in a 40mph limit is driving without due care and attention, as you should be aware of your speed at all times when driving, by regularly glances at your speedometer.
4rephill said:
The majority of speeding tickets these days (including the OP's by the sounds of it), come from speed camera's rather than Traffic Officers - So please feel free to explain to us all, the magical new technology that allows a camera to use discretion.
The speed limits are set for all manner of reasons, some make sense, some don't (for example, there's a long stretch of dual carriageway near to where I live, where most of it is limited to 50mph. A couple of the roads that come off that dual carriageway are single width country lanes, which have a National speed limit on them, so on the wide straight dual carriageway you can legally do 50mph, and on the narrow country lane you can legally do 60mph - Go figure!).
Whether you agree with the posted limits or not (and in your case, it seems you don't agree with them, as you seem to see all limits as being nothing more than a means to tax motorists - A bit of a strange view but there you go!), that is the speed you should be adhering to, and they're not some sort of secret limit that aren't sign posted, so if you do fail to adhere to the limit, you should be aware that there is a chance you're going to get a ticket for speeding.
If you should get stopped by a Traffic Officer today (which does still happen on rare occasions!) then, common sense and discretion can still be applied (I've had at least 5 stops by Traffic Officers for doing 100mph+ on motorways, one of which resulted in the reported speed being reduced to 94mph to give me a FPN,and with the other four, I was let off with a caution to slow down a bit), so it's complete nonsense to say "Discretion along with common-sense went out of the window years ago...".
In the OP's case, it could be claimed that "unintentionally" driving at 46mph in a 40mph limit is driving without due care and attention, as you should be aware of your speed at all times when driving, by regularly glances at your speedometer.
In an ideal world, motorists would not be taking their eyes off the road to look at some number on a dial... unless it's the fuel guage! It goes without saying that keeping your eyes on the road is better. The fact is, people are taking their eyes off the road to comply with some number on a post, which may or may not correlate with a sensible speed at which to be driving. A speed that drivers should be perfectly capable of judging for themselves. Unfortunately, there are far two many idiots on the road for such a scheme to work, but the current situation isn't ideal, either. We humans don't tend to be very good at saying "Oh, I'm going at 70 mph", without looking at the speedo. Engine noise and general feel can get you close, but as a species we're anything but precise.The speed limits are set for all manner of reasons, some make sense, some don't (for example, there's a long stretch of dual carriageway near to where I live, where most of it is limited to 50mph. A couple of the roads that come off that dual carriageway are single width country lanes, which have a National speed limit on them, so on the wide straight dual carriageway you can legally do 50mph, and on the narrow country lane you can legally do 60mph - Go figure!).
Whether you agree with the posted limits or not (and in your case, it seems you don't agree with them, as you seem to see all limits as being nothing more than a means to tax motorists - A bit of a strange view but there you go!), that is the speed you should be adhering to, and they're not some sort of secret limit that aren't sign posted, so if you do fail to adhere to the limit, you should be aware that there is a chance you're going to get a ticket for speeding.
If you should get stopped by a Traffic Officer today (which does still happen on rare occasions!) then, common sense and discretion can still be applied (I've had at least 5 stops by Traffic Officers for doing 100mph+ on motorways, one of which resulted in the reported speed being reduced to 94mph to give me a FPN,and with the other four, I was let off with a caution to slow down a bit), so it's complete nonsense to say "Discretion along with common-sense went out of the window years ago...".
In the OP's case, it could be claimed that "unintentionally" driving at 46mph in a 40mph limit is driving without due care and attention, as you should be aware of your speed at all times when driving, by regularly glances at your speedometer.
HenR56 said:
Drove past a mobile camera on a NSL dual carriage way at 77mph. Do they tend to follow the above guidelines?
When is a speed awareness course deemed "appropriate"?
I got caught at 78 which is the lower threshold for a SAC for Hampshire plod.When is a speed awareness course deemed "appropriate"?
Your speedo probably over reads so you should be fine!
.:ian:. said:
HenR56 said:
Drove past a mobile camera on a NSL dual carriage way at 77mph. Do they tend to follow the above guidelines?
When is a speed awareness course deemed "appropriate"?
I got caught at 78 which is the lower threshold for a SAC for Hampshire plod.When is a speed awareness course deemed "appropriate"?
Your speedo probably over reads so you should be fine!
No danger of a problem.
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