Points given on non UK Licence
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Hi
Recently been done for speeding on the A55 and have been issued a fine and points to my licence. I am not contesting the matter itself but what I am curious to know is are those point actually "given" to me? (6points- Because I'm a cretin)
The reason I ask is I have an Irish driving licence and it has several years left on it , so I will not be changing it any time soon. I understand that there is mutual disqualification recognition between both countries (when reaching 12pts etc).
Yet regarding insurance are those points actually on my Irish licence.....
Also according to the letter I have gotten back from the court, they tells me I can view my driving history/record (www.gov.uk/view-driving-licence) yet It seems I am not on the system when I try to do a search
So I believe my options are;
A) Receive points/pay fine-make a full declaration to insurance company for the next few years
B) Receive points/pay fine- not declare to my insurance as they are not "given" to me
C) Go on the run and hide out in Djibouti
If anyone can provide any personal stories or experiences, you would be absolute superstars!
Recently been done for speeding on the A55 and have been issued a fine and points to my licence. I am not contesting the matter itself but what I am curious to know is are those point actually "given" to me? (6points- Because I'm a cretin)
The reason I ask is I have an Irish driving licence and it has several years left on it , so I will not be changing it any time soon. I understand that there is mutual disqualification recognition between both countries (when reaching 12pts etc).
Yet regarding insurance are those points actually on my Irish licence.....
Also according to the letter I have gotten back from the court, they tells me I can view my driving history/record (www.gov.uk/view-driving-licence) yet It seems I am not on the system when I try to do a search
So I believe my options are;
A) Receive points/pay fine-make a full declaration to insurance company for the next few years
B) Receive points/pay fine- not declare to my insurance as they are not "given" to me
C) Go on the run and hide out in Djibouti
If anyone can provide any personal stories or experiences, you would be absolute superstars!
TooMany2cvs said:
The "EU licences valid until 70th birthday or expiry" thing is EU.
Every other country is 12mo max.
AFAIK Ireland only introduced driving tests in 1964, so the original pre-EU set of agreements between the UK and Ireland might well not have included mutual recognition of licences.Every other country is 12mo max.
Last time I changed my mainland licence for a NI licence, the point disappeared. I would be prepared to bet that if the OP applied for a UK licence there would be no points on it.
And I'm fairly certain that you can only drive on a member country licence for up to 12 month before you must exchange it for a UK one if you are resident in that country.
And I'm fairly certain that you can only drive on a member country licence for up to 12 month before you must exchange it for a UK one if you are resident in that country.
Your question is primarily about insurance declarations in this country and whatever agreements the UK and Ireland have are not relevant. Insurers will ask (something along the lines of) "have you had any convictions or accepted any fixed penalties in the last five years?" You have, so you need to declare it. What licence ("ghost" UK or Irish) the conviction was recorded on does not matter.
To understand this a little clearer, imagine your conviction resulted in you being disqualified from driving. I'm not sure if the "Mutual Recognition of Driving Disqualifications" order has yet come into force between the UK and Ireland but let's assume it hasn't. You would still hold a foreign driving licence. But that does not mean you can drive in the UK if you are banned by a court in the UK. Physically holding a licence (which might otherwise permit you to drive) dos not trump the court's ban. So it is with convictions and points. They are imposed against you as an individual (regardless of what - if any - licence you may hold) so must be declared to an insurer when asked.
To understand this a little clearer, imagine your conviction resulted in you being disqualified from driving. I'm not sure if the "Mutual Recognition of Driving Disqualifications" order has yet come into force between the UK and Ireland but let's assume it hasn't. You would still hold a foreign driving licence. But that does not mean you can drive in the UK if you are banned by a court in the UK. Physically holding a licence (which might otherwise permit you to drive) dos not trump the court's ban. So it is with convictions and points. They are imposed against you as an individual (regardless of what - if any - licence you may hold) so must be declared to an insurer when asked.
Tyre Smoke said:
And I'm fairly certain that you can only drive on a member country licence for up to 12 month before you must exchange it for a UK one if you are resident in that country.
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/vehicles/dri...No need to exchange if you passed in the EU.
I tested it in the .gov test as well:
https://www.gov.uk/exchange-foreign-driving-licenc...
No-need until 70.
Tyre Smoke said:
And I'm fairly certain that you can only drive on a member country licence for up to 12 month before you must exchange it for a UK one if you are resident in that country.
That used to be the case for EU, presumably as per the rest of the world. I first drove in Italy and moved to the UK with an Italian licence, at the time I had to take a UK test within 12 months to carry on driving.
Shortly after that they made it that you could exchange an EU licence for a UK equivalent which I then did for motorbike licence as I hadn't taken the UK test, they gave me a UK licence with all entitlements but didn't give the Italian one back.
Not sure if/when they made it that you could keep your EU licence indefinitely?
Vaud said:
Tyre Smoke said:
And I'm fairly certain that you can only drive on a member country licence for up to 12 month before you must exchange it for a UK one if you are resident in that country.
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/vehicles/dri...No need to exchange if you passed in the EU.
I tested it in the .gov test as well:
https://www.gov.uk/exchange-foreign-driving-licenc...
No-need until 70.
However the correct gov.uk link for driving in GB on a EU issued licence is this one.https://www.gov.uk/driving-nongb-licence/y/a-resid...
catso said:
Not sure if/when they made it that you could keep your EU licence indefinitely?
Quite apart from that statement being wrong*, who cares? It's only the current rules which matter.* It's not indefintely: it's age 70 (or for 3 years after becoming resident if aged over 67). See the first link by Vaud and the one above.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/driving-disq...
There IS mutual recognition of driving disqualification for some offences between GB and the ROI. So if you get banned in Britain for (say) drunk driving, you will also be banned from driving in Ireland and vice versa.
However the mutual recognition agreement does NOT apply to totting bans. So you can reach up as many points as you like in Britain, but you can keep your Irish licence. You'd be banned from driving in Britain, but your right to drive in the republic would be interested.
There IS mutual recognition of driving disqualification for some offences between GB and the ROI. So if you get banned in Britain for (say) drunk driving, you will also be banned from driving in Ireland and vice versa.
However the mutual recognition agreement does NOT apply to totting bans. So you can reach up as many points as you like in Britain, but you can keep your Irish licence. You'd be banned from driving in Britain, but your right to drive in the republic would be interested.
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