"Traffic Cops" 5 Spike This Evening
Discussion
Anyone watching the above programme at the moment?
One of the incidents was a white Audi S3 driven by an Asian chap which crashes into the rear of a red Merc 4x4 which pulls out from a minor road.
Disregarding the insurance position of the Audi, the coppers and the voiceover bloke seem to be pinning all liability on the driver of the Audi.
Having seen the CCTV footage on the programme showing that the red Merc pulled out of the side road into the path of the correctly proceeding Audi, I'm surprised that they're all trying to blame the driver of the Audi.
Personally at worst, I would think maybe 25% liability may attach due to the speed the Audi was travelling at.
One of the incidents was a white Audi S3 driven by an Asian chap which crashes into the rear of a red Merc 4x4 which pulls out from a minor road.
Disregarding the insurance position of the Audi, the coppers and the voiceover bloke seem to be pinning all liability on the driver of the Audi.
Having seen the CCTV footage on the programme showing that the red Merc pulled out of the side road into the path of the correctly proceeding Audi, I'm surprised that they're all trying to blame the driver of the Audi.
Personally at worst, I would think maybe 25% liability may attach due to the speed the Audi was travelling at.
KungFuPanda said:
Anyone watching the above programme at the moment?
One of the incidents was a white Audi S3 driven by an Asian chap which crashes into the rear of a red Merc 4x4 which pulls out from a minor road.
Disregarding the insurance position of the Audi, the coppers and the voiceover bloke seem to be pinning all liability on the driver of the Audi.
Having seen the CCTV footage on the programme showing that the red Merc pulled out of the side road into the path of the correctly proceeding Audi, I'm surprised that they're all trying to blame the driver of the Audi.
Personally at worst, I would think maybe 25% liability may attach due to the speed the Audi was travelling at.
Normally you would be correct, but if there was proof the Audi was speeding at twice the limit and the car pulled out based on the distance the blame wouldn't fall on the Merc. One of the incidents was a white Audi S3 driven by an Asian chap which crashes into the rear of a red Merc 4x4 which pulls out from a minor road.
Disregarding the insurance position of the Audi, the coppers and the voiceover bloke seem to be pinning all liability on the driver of the Audi.
Having seen the CCTV footage on the programme showing that the red Merc pulled out of the side road into the path of the correctly proceeding Audi, I'm surprised that they're all trying to blame the driver of the Audi.
Personally at worst, I would think maybe 25% liability may attach due to the speed the Audi was travelling at.
jamei303 said:
What if the red Merc had been a child crossing the road? Would it have been their fault for not realising the Audi was doing twice the limit?
Why add the emotional element of a child into what should be a logical discussion? But i do agree the Audi takes the blame. The Audi is doing something other drivers aren't expecting, similarly to reversing around a corner. You should be aware of other drivers when doing something unusual.
I was told by a solicitor some time ago that the general rule is this situations is:
(Assuming Merc pulls out in front of Audi)
Audi speeding but only by a few MPH and/or the normal speed for that road.
Merc's fault.
Audi speeding significantly but still visible before the Merc pulled out
50/50
Audi going so fast so as not to be visible when the Merc pulled out.
Audi's fault.
NOBODY is saying the Audi driver wasn't at fault, just that the Merc driver might have been at fault AS WELL by making an assumption about the speed the Audi was approaching.
(Assuming Merc pulls out in front of Audi)
Audi speeding but only by a few MPH and/or the normal speed for that road.
Merc's fault.
Audi speeding significantly but still visible before the Merc pulled out
50/50
Audi going so fast so as not to be visible when the Merc pulled out.
Audi's fault.
NOBODY is saying the Audi driver wasn't at fault, just that the Merc driver might have been at fault AS WELL by making an assumption about the speed the Audi was approaching.
Edited by Dr Jekyll on Friday 19th October 11:17
Dr Jekyll said:
I was told by a solicitor some time ago that the general rule is this situations is:
(Assuming Merc pulls out in front of Audi)
Audi speeding but only by a few MPH and/or the normal speed for that road.
Merc's fault.
Audi speeding significantly but still visible before the Merc pulled out
50/50
Audi going so fast so as not to be visible when the Merc pulled out.
Merc's fault.
NOBODY is saying the Audi driver wasn't at fault, just that the Merc driver might have been at fault AS WELL by making an assumption about the speed the Audi was approaching.
Not sure you meant that last bit. How could the Merc be at fault if he pulled out when he couldn't see anything coming?(Assuming Merc pulls out in front of Audi)
Audi speeding but only by a few MPH and/or the normal speed for that road.
Merc's fault.
Audi speeding significantly but still visible before the Merc pulled out
50/50
Audi going so fast so as not to be visible when the Merc pulled out.
Merc's fault.
NOBODY is saying the Audi driver wasn't at fault, just that the Merc driver might have been at fault AS WELL by making an assumption about the speed the Audi was approaching.
DIW35 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
I was told by a solicitor some time ago that the general rule is this situations is:
(Assuming Merc pulls out in front of Audi)
Audi speeding but only by a few MPH and/or the normal speed for that road.
Merc's fault.
Audi speeding significantly but still visible before the Merc pulled out
50/50
Audi going so fast so as not to be visible when the Merc pulled out.
Merc's fault.
NOBODY is saying the Audi driver wasn't at fault, just that the Merc driver might have been at fault AS WELL by making an assumption about the speed the Audi was approaching.
Not sure you meant that last bit. How could the Merc be at fault if he pulled out when he couldn't see anything coming?(Assuming Merc pulls out in front of Audi)
Audi speeding but only by a few MPH and/or the normal speed for that road.
Merc's fault.
Audi speeding significantly but still visible before the Merc pulled out
50/50
Audi going so fast so as not to be visible when the Merc pulled out.
Merc's fault.
NOBODY is saying the Audi driver wasn't at fault, just that the Merc driver might have been at fault AS WELL by making an assumption about the speed the Audi was approaching.
Osinjak said:
jamei303 said:
Sounds like the Audi driver is a t
t and is therefore rightfully guilty.
What if the red Merc had been a child crossing the road? Would it have been their fault for not realising the Audi was doing twice the limit?
That didn't take long, did it?
t and is therefore rightfully guilty.What if the red Merc had been a child crossing the road? Would it have been their fault for not realising the Audi was doing twice the limit?
Carrot said:
Osinjak said:
jamei303 said:
Sounds like the Audi driver is a t
t and is therefore rightfully guilty.
What if the red Merc had been a child crossing the road? Would it have been their fault for not realising the Audi was doing twice the limit?
That didn't take long, did it?
t and is therefore rightfully guilty.What if the red Merc had been a child crossing the road? Would it have been their fault for not realising the Audi was doing twice the limit?
Dr Jekyll said:
Audi going so fast so as not to be visible when the Merc pulled out.
Audi's fault.
Assuming that visibility isn't rubbish, what speed do people think a car has to be travelling to render it "invisible".Audi's fault.
Edited by Dr Jekyll on Friday 19th October 11:17
I would think some fraction of the speed of light.
A car going 60 is just as visible as a car going 30. Yes, it will get to you twice as fast, but that is completely different from it not being observable at all.
Whether a driver "expects" the car to reach them twice as fast is a fair question, but then so is: is a quick glance that doesn't assess the speed of oncoming traffic taking sufficient care when pulling out in front of traffic?
I would be more 50:50.
Ian Geary said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Audi going so fast so as not to be visible when the Merc pulled out.
Audi's fault.
Assuming that visibility isn't rubbish, what speed do people think a car has to be travelling to render it "invisible".Audi's fault.
Edited by Dr Jekyll on Friday 19th October 11:17
I would think some fraction of the speed of light.
A car going 60 is just as visible as a car going 30. Yes, it will get to you twice as fast, but that is completely different from it not being observable at all.
Whether a driver "expects" the car to reach them twice as fast is a fair question, but then so is: is a quick glance that doesn't assess the speed of oncoming traffic taking sufficient care when pulling out in front of traffic?
I would be more 50:50.
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