Trespass?
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Jhonno

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6,430 posts

171 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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What would the law be on someone being paid to go into someone's house, bringing their child with them (to work) without consent/permission/knowledge of the person who's house it was, and an incident occurring whereby the child was injured? Is the child technically trespassing?

anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Jhonno said:
What would the law be on someone being paid to go into someone's house, bringing their child with them (to work) without consent/permission/knowledge of the person who's house it was, and an incident occurring whereby the child was injured? Is the child technically trespassing?
rolleyes no, the child is not trespassing, as they were brought along by the adult.

What the actual f

Scabutz

8,841 posts

110 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Besides, trespass is a civil tort, not a crime.

rgf100

86 posts

135 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Is your actual concern liability for the accident?

Gary C

15,267 posts

209 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Scabutz said:
Besides, trespass is a civil tort, not a crime.
Unless it's where I work, then it's criminal.

Pica-Pica

16,605 posts

114 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Child neglect on part of entrant?

Jhonno

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6,430 posts

171 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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rgf100 said:
Is your actual concern liability for the accident?
Yes..

I'm no lawyer, but trespass being someone who doesn't have permission to be on your property. Which the child didn't, nor would it have been given permission. I don't know how it stands for someone brought on to property without permission, by someone who has permission. This is nothing to do with actual trespass as such, but how it stands that the child was brought into the house without permission or knowledge and been injured. The person who did have permission to be in the house was employed to be there.

Jhonno

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6,430 posts

171 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Scabutz said:
Besides, trespass is a civil tort, not a crime.
I am fully aware of that, and there is no desire to persue a child for trespass. Where anyone got that from I don't know.

Jhonno

Original Poster:

6,430 posts

171 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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OK, in the mean time the person has had legal advice..

The child was technically trespassing as permission wasn't given nor inferred, and as the adult was being paid to be on the property, it is their duty of care to look after the child, and ensure it isn't injured..

So no the person who lives in the house isn't liable.

Brads67

3,199 posts

128 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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If the injury was caused by something in the house then they may be, regardless of whether they try and convince others the child was a trespasser.

Sounds a proper charmer as well, no concern for the child other than that they are proved to be trespassing to avoid any liability.

A court would have a hard job saying that was the case when the parent brought the child into the house.

Poor cleaner was probably struggling for childcare.

Jhonno

Original Poster:

6,430 posts

171 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Brads67 said:
If the injury was caused by something in the house then they may be, regardless of whether they try and convince others the child was a trespasser.

Sounds a proper charmer as well, no concern for the child other than that they are proved to be trespassing to avoid any liability.

A court would have a hard job saying that was the case when the parent brought the child into the house.

Poor cleaner was probably struggling for childcare.
So many assumptions, all wrong..

anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Jhonno said:
So many assumptions, all wrong..
Do explain your case further then, we are all ears;

yellowjack

18,466 posts

196 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Back in the 80s, during the summer holidays, I used to "ride along" with my uncle in his Verminex Services Bedford HA van...


God alone knows what can of worms that would open up in this day and age? A van full of baits and poisons of various kinds, and me regularly being taken into premises to assist my uncle. Even to the point of going up on factory gantry cranes to shoot pigeons.

I'm not saying it's right, or was right at the time, but I always felt properly warned about the consequences of playing with rat poison, and I was taught to shoot properly, with respect for safety, other people, and above all the target.

I'm guessing the OP's tale is a tradesperson, working in a property, who has brought along an offspring due to half term and childcare issues?

anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Flounce.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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yellowjack said:
I'm guessing the OP's tale is a tradesperson, working in a property, who has brought along an offspring due to half term and childcare issues?
His cleaner, at a very wild guess.

hutchst

3,727 posts

126 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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So the plumber's son set fire to himself with a blowtorch in your kitchen while his dad was fixing your boiler?

hutchst

3,727 posts

126 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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Back to the point, the lawful (paid) entrant could become a trespasser if he did things for which you had not given permission or could have reasonable knowledge.

But if the injury was caused by something about your premises that was inherently unsafe, that you were aware of, then you might be liable.

Atomic12C

5,180 posts

247 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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Scabutz said:
Besides, trespass is a civil tort, not a crime.
Doesn't it become criminal when the land/property owner has asked the person to leave but that request is ignored/refused ?
It then becomes aggravated trespass which is criminal.

jamei303

3,084 posts

186 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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did they died?

anonymous-user

84 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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i think the op is asking trespass as to be devoid of liability, which i understand is not true. Surely household insurance is best bet as may have legal cover.