105/110 on the M25 - likely result?
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Morning All...
As per the title, I was pulled over last night for 110 on the M25 (his words, not sure on actual speed), he has however put 105 on the ticket. From reading online it would seem likely outcome is ban up to 56 days, fine up to 150% of weekly income or point (or a combo of all 3) - anyone have an experiences to share or advice on what they would suggest is the penalty?
I was in an S350 hire car, while the M4 is at BMW for rear end repairs after someone hit me last Friday. Assuming this would go straight to court my stance would be...
- First conviction, no previous offences or road violations.
- Road conditions were good, dry.
- Visibility was good, no fog.
- Road was clear, very few cars on the M25 at 00:43 between the 1 or 2 junctions I traveled.
- Usual car I drive has HUD where I can see the speed easily. After the recent crash I am more focused on keeping my eyes on the road than looking down at the speedo. Also, the M4 you can easily feel/hear the speed, the S class is more of a 'chauffeur' type of car, very quiet and very smooth, so was less aware of the speed built up.
Cheers
Steve
As per the title, I was pulled over last night for 110 on the M25 (his words, not sure on actual speed), he has however put 105 on the ticket. From reading online it would seem likely outcome is ban up to 56 days, fine up to 150% of weekly income or point (or a combo of all 3) - anyone have an experiences to share or advice on what they would suggest is the penalty?
I was in an S350 hire car, while the M4 is at BMW for rear end repairs after someone hit me last Friday. Assuming this would go straight to court my stance would be...
- First conviction, no previous offences or road violations.
- Road conditions were good, dry.
- Visibility was good, no fog.
- Road was clear, very few cars on the M25 at 00:43 between the 1 or 2 junctions I traveled.
- Usual car I drive has HUD where I can see the speed easily. After the recent crash I am more focused on keeping my eyes on the road than looking down at the speedo. Also, the M4 you can easily feel/hear the speed, the S class is more of a 'chauffeur' type of car, very quiet and very smooth, so was less aware of the speed built up.
Cheers
Steve
Assuming you’re found guilty I think a ban and a fine or points (likely 6, sp50?) and a fine, depending on mitigation (not drunk/first offence/clear conditions etc)
and how you explain your need for keeping on the road.
Eg if you’re a district nurse and require a car to do your rounds etc
Nb. All the sentencing guidelines are on the internet
and how you explain your need for keeping on the road.
Eg if you’re a district nurse and require a car to do your rounds etc
Nb. All the sentencing guidelines are on the internet
I anticipate a Single Justice Procedure Notice and Written Charge will be issued within 6 months of the alleged offence.
If you want to avoid a ban then deal with the case online / by post. Do not elect for a traditional court hearing.
The maximum fine is £2500 on a motorway and £1000 on any other road. If you plead guilty then you are entitled to credit. A guilty plea at the first opportunity usually means a reduction of one-third.
The court may impose 3-6 points for this offence or disqualify from driving for any length. The court has guidelines to follow. The relevant guideline identifies the starting point for this offence as a Band C fine (150% of relevant weekly income). If your relevant weekly income is £600 then the Starting Point is £900 and the fine will very likely be £600 (one-third off). There will also be prosecution costs (typically £85-105 if guilty plea on day 1). A victim surcharge is also payable (10% of the fine but £30 minimum and a £170 maximum).
The defendant’s plea in mitigation should focus on offender mitigation. What would be the effect of disqualification on the offender, his employment and his family?
For 105/70 the usual disqualification period is 7-56 days. The disqualification order could be longer if the offender’s speed is deemed to be “grossly excessive” - not at all likely here.
A single magistrate will review your case and the outcome will be one of the following:
- Licence endosed with 3-6 penalty points. Fine and costs order.
- Notice of Proposed Disqualification issued
- Summons to a traditional court hearing
If a Notice of Proposed Disqualification is issued then you should respond with a request for a traditional court hearing.
If you want to avoid a ban then deal with the case online / by post. Do not elect for a traditional court hearing.
The maximum fine is £2500 on a motorway and £1000 on any other road. If you plead guilty then you are entitled to credit. A guilty plea at the first opportunity usually means a reduction of one-third.
The court may impose 3-6 points for this offence or disqualify from driving for any length. The court has guidelines to follow. The relevant guideline identifies the starting point for this offence as a Band C fine (150% of relevant weekly income). If your relevant weekly income is £600 then the Starting Point is £900 and the fine will very likely be £600 (one-third off). There will also be prosecution costs (typically £85-105 if guilty plea on day 1). A victim surcharge is also payable (10% of the fine but £30 minimum and a £170 maximum).
The defendant’s plea in mitigation should focus on offender mitigation. What would be the effect of disqualification on the offender, his employment and his family?
For 105/70 the usual disqualification period is 7-56 days. The disqualification order could be longer if the offender’s speed is deemed to be “grossly excessive” - not at all likely here.
A single magistrate will review your case and the outcome will be one of the following:
- Licence endosed with 3-6 penalty points. Fine and costs order.
- Notice of Proposed Disqualification issued
- Summons to a traditional court hearing
If a Notice of Proposed Disqualification is issued then you should respond with a request for a traditional court hearing.
Edited by agtlaw on Friday 23 November 10:41
If you have to go to court .... dress smart, act humble, do not include anything about the car being deceptively quick/lack of HUD (you are supposed to know the speed you are travelling at) and point out first offence, need car for work and be prepared to admit you were being momentarily stupid (even if you or I or anyone else thinks you were or weren't is irrelevant). You may get lucky as 105mph is not always a nailed on ban, it's up to the magistrate.
Good luck.
PS Ignore the holier than thous that will be along later in this thread to castigate you!
Good luck.
PS Ignore the holier than thous that will be along later in this thread to castigate you!
Stevoox said:
Morning All...
As per the title, I was pulled over last night for 110 on the M25 (his words, not sure on actual speed), he has however put 105 on the ticket.
- Visibility was good,
Not that good then or was it an unmarked car ?As per the title, I was pulled over last night for 110 on the M25 (his words, not sure on actual speed), he has however put 105 on the ticket.
- Visibility was good,
Local plod are always posting about boneheads flying past them at over a 100 when they are in fully liveried hi vis vehicles and then wonder why they were stopped.
cb1965 said:
PS Ignore the holier than thous that will be along later in this thread to castigate you!
Well there are people out there working and doing stuff not always under signals, good job it was good visibility for the op.grumpyscot said:
At that speed, I would suggest a ban would be in order. Totally reckless.
And I say this as a close friend of someone killed by an asshole driver doing just 50mph in a 40 never mind 110 in a 70.
So you you should realise that this isn’t about speed, it’s about driving standards/lack of.And I say this as a close friend of someone killed by an asshole driver doing just 50mph in a 40 never mind 110 in a 70.
Sorry for your loss.
Alucidnation said:
cb1965 said:
And here they are 
Yep.And with any luck, a ban.
Thanks for the input all - guess it is now a waiting game for the documents to come through the post (and to get he M4 back 
)
With regards to saying it is reckless, unsafe etc. - perhaps. But what about the countless people that seem to sit in a middle or outside lane doing 50? Just as bad in my eyes
)With regards to saying it is reckless, unsafe etc. - perhaps. But what about the countless people that seem to sit in a middle or outside lane doing 50? Just as bad in my eyes
agtlaw said:
I anticipate a Single Justice Procedure Notice and Written Charge will be issued within 6 months of the alleged offence.
If you want to avoid a ban then deal with the case online / by post. Do not elect for a traditional court hearing.
The maximum fine is £2500 on a motorway and £1000 on any other road. If you plead guilty then you are entitled to credit. A guilty plea at the first opportunity usually means a reduction of one-third.
The court may impose 3-6 points for this offence or disqualify from driving for any length. The court has guidelines to follow. The relevant guideline identifies the starting point for this offence as a Band C fine (150% of relevant weekly income). If your relevant weekly income is £600 and you plead guilty at the earliest opportunity then the fine will very likely be £400 (one-third off). There will also be prosecution costs (typically £85-105 if guilty plea on day 1). A victim surcharge is also payable (10% of the fine but £30 minimum and a £170 maximum).
The defendant’s plea in mitigation should focus on offender mitigation. What would be the effect of disqualification on the offender, his employment and his family?
For 105/70 the usual disqualification period is 7-56 days. The disqualification order could be longer if the offender’s speed is deemed to be “grossly excessive” - not at all likely here.
A single magistrate will review your case and the outcome will be one of the following:
- Licence endosed with 3-6 penalty points. Fine and costs order.
- Notice of Proposed Disqualification issued
- Summons to a traditional court hearing
If a Notice of Proposed Disqualification is issued then you should respond with a request for a traditional court hearing.
Thanks for that - really useful.If you want to avoid a ban then deal with the case online / by post. Do not elect for a traditional court hearing.
The maximum fine is £2500 on a motorway and £1000 on any other road. If you plead guilty then you are entitled to credit. A guilty plea at the first opportunity usually means a reduction of one-third.
The court may impose 3-6 points for this offence or disqualify from driving for any length. The court has guidelines to follow. The relevant guideline identifies the starting point for this offence as a Band C fine (150% of relevant weekly income). If your relevant weekly income is £600 and you plead guilty at the earliest opportunity then the fine will very likely be £400 (one-third off). There will also be prosecution costs (typically £85-105 if guilty plea on day 1). A victim surcharge is also payable (10% of the fine but £30 minimum and a £170 maximum).
The defendant’s plea in mitigation should focus on offender mitigation. What would be the effect of disqualification on the offender, his employment and his family?
For 105/70 the usual disqualification period is 7-56 days. The disqualification order could be longer if the offender’s speed is deemed to be “grossly excessive” - not at all likely here.
A single magistrate will review your case and the outcome will be one of the following:
- Licence endosed with 3-6 penalty points. Fine and costs order.
- Notice of Proposed Disqualification issued
- Summons to a traditional court hearing
If a Notice of Proposed Disqualification is issued then you should respond with a request for a traditional court hearing.
"If a Notice of Proposed Disqualification is issued then you should respond with a request for a traditional court hearing." - assume purely so you can have the chance to appear in front of someone and try to reduce the penalty?
Stevoox said:
Thanks for the input all - guess it is now a waiting game for the documents to come through the post (and to get he M4 back )
With regards to saying it is reckless, unsafe etc. - perhaps. But what about the countless people that seem to sit in a middle or outside lane doing 50? Just as bad in my eyes
A feeble counter. )With regards to saying it is reckless, unsafe etc. - perhaps. But what about the countless people that seem to sit in a middle or outside lane doing 50? Just as bad in my eyes
(Oh! Have you mentioned that you have an M4?)
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