Failure to stop after RTA. Not enough evidence to persue??
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That’s the lovely letter I received from Met Pol after submitting my online report.
However, I also confirmed video evidence, number plate and the name of the HGV company. Time, date, exact location. With the overhead Maps view.
Green me (lane 1)
Yellow (lorry,lane 2)
Red, actual lorry path.
Any ideas guys?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wyvg8erbpitoo7b/Video%20...
However, I also confirmed video evidence, number plate and the name of the HGV company. Time, date, exact location. With the overhead Maps view.
Green me (lane 1)
Yellow (lorry,lane 2)
Red, actual lorry path.
Any ideas guys?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wyvg8erbpitoo7b/Video%20...
Edited by TVR1 on Monday 26th November 00:14
Road layout and lack of white lining did not help here!
However, you have enough information to pursue a claim from the lorry's insurer?
Police may well try to fob you off if no personal injury suffered. I would be inclined to ask them, in writing, why the evidence you have given them is insufficient for them to take action.
However, you have enough information to pursue a claim from the lorry's insurer?
Police may well try to fob you off if no personal injury suffered. I would be inclined to ask them, in writing, why the evidence you have given them is insufficient for them to take action.
Pica-Pica said:
IMHO
3) are you sure the driver would have heard anything, whilst accelerating hard (for an HGV)?
This is the most likely problem, if the driver was unaware then (logically and legally) they don't have to stop. It happens a lot with HGVs. Since they just continued without any reaction it seems likely they didn't realise. 3) are you sure the driver would have heard anything, whilst accelerating hard (for an HGV)?
The road markings aren't very good when you look at a wider view.
https://goo.gl/maps/VrhgW5z11U82
I could see that the HGV driver would argue he was confused by the kerb stones marking the edge of the bus stop. The black car in front of him does the same move.
Your insurance company not just paying out?
https://goo.gl/maps/VrhgW5z11U82
I could see that the HGV driver would argue he was confused by the kerb stones marking the edge of the bus stop. The black car in front of him does the same move.
Your insurance company not just paying out?
Alucidnation said:
Looks to me like you were in some form of bus lane, trying to undertake.
Have to agree from the photograph of the location it would appear you were using a bus stop to undercut the traffic. In which case the lorry driver didn't cut across in front of you as there was no lane to cut as such.Also i doubt if the lorry was even aware he had made contact you. After all he would be looking for a bus coming from a bus stop.
Edited by Drumroll on Monday 26th November 08:39
Sorry OP, think you need to accept a bit of liability here, you tried to 'sneak' up the inside, you where far too slow away, you should have tried to get ahead of the lorry so he could see you, unfortunately for you he had no load on, so was able to pull away sharpish.
As above I doubt he is even aware that you drove into the side of him.
Really surprised you got plod involved, not surprised they threw it back. Either make a claim direct from the lorry firm or go through your insurance, that's why you have it.
As above I doubt he is even aware that you drove into the side of him.
Really surprised you got plod involved, not surprised they threw it back. Either make a claim direct from the lorry firm or go through your insurance, that's why you have it.
Edited by megaphone on Monday 26th November 09:02
Edited by megaphone on Monday 26th November 09:04
Lemming Train said:
It's a proper lane with no restrictions. Some manipulation of street view to get the bunch of trucks out of shot shows the lane. The truck in his video was 100% at fault.
Agreed. Not great lane markings, and I can see how it's happened, but truck 100% at fault.It's frustrating that when you're keeping left, as everyone should, the left lane ends up being a cluster f
k like that. No wonder people don't keep left.Lemming Train said:
It's a proper lane with no restrictions. Some manipulation of street view to get the bunch of trucks out of shot shows the lane. The truck in his video was 100% at fault.
Can you send a link to the street view you have found that shows this? All I can get to is a view that shows it is clearly a bus stop and not a lane for accessing the roundabout.It also looks from the video that this is not a lane - contrast tarmac, bus stop in big yellow writing and the clear lack of space at the end of the bus stop. Also from google maps it clearly shows you where you should be for turning left.
If the OP had launched off the line, the Volvo may well have got him.
However, it is a poor layout, if the bus stop is not restricted to just buses, it probably should be.
Lemming Train said:
It's a proper lane with no restrictions. Some manipulation of street view to get the bunch of trucks out of shot shows the lane. The truck in his video was 100% at fault.
Is it? this map shot shows it as a bus stop the OP was in: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.6161161,-0.08551...Even at the start of the video you can see the "demarcation kerb" is almost halfway across the stop line.
xjay1337 said:
Not sure why OP hesistated to pull away
However, yes truck is at fault from my eyes
And it's not just a bus stop , it's a lane, so nothing dodgy.
To answer the first part, we’d already seen the Volvo out of position but not indicating and held back incase he cut across lane 1 into us (it’s a common problem on spiral roundabouts) ditto the lorry, he’s slightly to the left of lane 2 and has a much greater turn. Lane 1 does a slight ‘right’ into the roundabout and not a good place to get caught. However, yes truck is at fault from my eyes
And it's not just a bus stop , it's a lane, so nothing dodgy.
As to the rest, it does astonish me that a couple of posters think there’s something incorrect about approaching a roundabout to turn left, positioning in the legitimate left lane and then being at fault when another driver turns into them, because they either didnt look left before turning left or blindly followed the car infront. The total lack of any signals from the Volvo and the truck doesn’t assist either.
That wasn’t the question though. It was surprising to me that having supplied every possible piece of information, the response was ‘not enough evidence’.
As an aside, it’s already gone to their insurers and the car is waiting for repairs authorisation. No fault (for me)
TVR1 said:
xjay1337 said:
Not sure why OP hesistated to pull away
However, yes truck is at fault from my eyes
And it's not just a bus stop , it's a lane, so nothing dodgy.
To answer the first part, we’d already seen the Volvo out of position but not indicating and held back incase he cut across lane 1 into us (it’s a common problem on spiral roundabouts) ditto the lorry, he’s slightly to the left of lane 2 and has a much greater turn. Lane 1 does a slight ‘right’ into the roundabout and not a good place to get caught. However, yes truck is at fault from my eyes
And it's not just a bus stop , it's a lane, so nothing dodgy.
As to the rest, it does astonish me that a couple of posters think there’s something incorrect about approaching a roundabout to turn left, positioning in the legitimate left lane and then being at fault when another driver turns into them, because they either didnt look left before turning left or blindly followed the car infront. The total lack of any signals from the Volvo and the truck doesn’t assist either.
That wasn’t the question though. It was surprising to me that having supplied every possible piece of information, the response was ‘not enough evidence’.
As an aside, it’s already gone to their insurers and the car is waiting for repairs authorisation. No fault (for me)
I don't think with what we can see in the video that it can be proved beyond all reasonable doubt that the lorry driver would have been aware that a collision had taken place.
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