Sudden reduction in speed limits in Surrey/hants
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Sorry for beating a dead horse I just have noticed in the last year a lot of areas seem to be reducing speed limits and can’t fully understand why?
If you live in the Farnborough/Camberley/Guildford part of the world you’ve probably noticed...
- dual carriageway from Camberley Tesco to m3 now a 50mph from a 70.
- single carriage way road from Bracknell (past broadmoor) towards above mentioned Tesco 50mph from 60.
- dual carriage way from queens hotel in Farnborough to Aldershot wellington in the last week or so is a 60mph max all the way heading towards Aldershot
What do you think the reason is? Pollution reduction? Rising incidents? It seems like a lot of roads in a relatively short period of time.
If you live in the Farnborough/Camberley/Guildford part of the world you’ve probably noticed...
- dual carriageway from Camberley Tesco to m3 now a 50mph from a 70.
- single carriage way road from Bracknell (past broadmoor) towards above mentioned Tesco 50mph from 60.
- dual carriage way from queens hotel in Farnborough to Aldershot wellington in the last week or so is a 60mph max all the way heading towards Aldershot
What do you think the reason is? Pollution reduction? Rising incidents? It seems like a lot of roads in a relatively short period of time.
underwhelmist said:
I have been told that some local authorities are reducing speed limits because they are obliged to inspect NSL roads more frequently and maintain them to a higher standard - so its a cost reduction exercise. Don’t know how true this is though.
Eugh. Didn’t consider such a thing until you said it. I’m inclined to agree and believe such an idea though
Earthdweller said:
And have a read of the 'official' bits and links. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/speed-l...
Derbyshire has been ruined by this. Pretty much every single decent road is a 50, leaving only the single lane farm tracks at 60. I think they do it if a road has a certain amount of road deaths/serious injuries even if the reason they had the accident wasn't down to going between 50-60mph. It's seemingly impossible to do anything about it unfortunately.
When Gordon brown was PM, he pushed this through - ironic given he didn’t have a driving licence. It was in the press at the time. Subsequent governments and PMs have just let The legislation come to pass.
ETA https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.carmagazine.co....
Kicked off in 2009.
ETA https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.carmagazine.co....
Kicked off in 2009.
Edited by Jayzee on Monday 18th February 20:52
Drove to a friend's house in Kent a month ago. I was looking forward to the 60mph A roads with excellent visibility and great twists that I so enjoyed in my TVR.
I drove past one sign that I thought had been turned around by yobs. But no. 40mph on the repeater. How sad.
I drove a borrowed Tamora along that stretch.
I drove past one sign that I thought had been turned around by yobs. But no. 40mph on the repeater. How sad.
I drove a borrowed Tamora along that stretch.
I've lived in Hampshire nearly 15 years, i've noticed more and more 50 limits popping up in the last 5 or so years.
It would be nice to believe that we will soon reach the point where all the highest risk national speed limited have a lower limit and all of it is heading towards a higher national speed limit being brought in, but that is never going to happen.
It would be nice to believe that we will soon reach the point where all the highest risk national speed limited have a lower limit and all of it is heading towards a higher national speed limit being brought in, but that is never going to happen.
Chrisjroe said:
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What do you think the reason is? Pollution reduction? Rising incidents? It seems like a lot of roads in a relatively short period of time.
None of those. It is probably because in an NSL 60 there are a lot of drivers who exceed that at 70-80mph. The limit is lowered to 50 to bring that down.What do you think the reason is? Pollution reduction? Rising incidents? It seems like a lot of roads in a relatively short period of time.
I came down the M6 Toll today at a GPS 70 on cruise control. Every other car went past in excess of 80 mph and there was a significant number at 100+.
You don't need to look much further than this thread so far to see why limits are being reduced, it's sport on the road that does it.
Repel_Max said:
Chrisjroe said:
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What do you think the reason is? Pollution reduction? Rising incidents? It seems like a lot of roads in a relatively short period of time.
None of those. It is probably because in an NSL 60 there are a lot of drivers who exceed that at 70-80mph. The limit is lowered to 50 to bring that down.What do you think the reason is? Pollution reduction? Rising incidents? It seems like a lot of roads in a relatively short period of time.
I came down the M6 Toll today at a GPS 70 on cruise control. Every other car went past in excess of 80 mph and there was a significant number at 100+.
You don't need to look much further than this thread so far to see why limits are being reduced, it's sport on the road that does it.
Here is a link which might help explain the real reason why various counties are seeing many limits reduced.
http://etsc.eu/wp-content/uploads/10-PIN-annual-re... .
The EU has set some extremely ambitious targets to reduce the number of people being killed and seriously injured on the EU's roads. These limits were set in 2010 and the target was for each country to reduce the number of KSI in their country by 50% by 2020. A difficult but possibly achievable goal for Bulgaria but stupidly unrealistic for countries such as Sweden and the UK which already had the safest roads in the world.
brickwall said:
Crackie said:
Another irrelevant anecdote from you...… and you're being disingenuous again.
Here is a link which might help explain the real reason why various counties are seeing many limits reduced.
http://etsc.eu/wp-content/uploads/10-PIN-annual-re... .
The EU has set some extremely ambitious targets to reduce the number of people being killed and seriously injured on the EU's roads. These limits were set in 2010 and the target was for each country to reduce the number of KSI in their country by 50% by 2020. A difficult but possibly achievable goal for Bulgaria but stupidly unrealistic for countries such as Sweden and the UK which already had the safest roads in the world.
It is indeed bonkers - the EU really doesn't help itself when trying to win over the voters, does it.Here is a link which might help explain the real reason why various counties are seeing many limits reduced.
http://etsc.eu/wp-content/uploads/10-PIN-annual-re... .
The EU has set some extremely ambitious targets to reduce the number of people being killed and seriously injured on the EU's roads. These limits were set in 2010 and the target was for each country to reduce the number of KSI in their country by 50% by 2020. A difficult but possibly achievable goal for Bulgaria but stupidly unrealistic for countries such as Sweden and the UK which already had the safest roads in the world.
As a local from memory the A331 reduction was originally proposed back in 2012, then delayed. There were a number of reasons given including a high level of pollution in that area, reducing / minimising the risk of speed related / last minute light jumping accidents between the M3 & The Meadows via both sets of lights (Sainsbury's & Watchmoor Park) and also improve traffic flow / congestion via the M3 roundabouts at peak times.
At the time it was introduced the M3 was currently reduced to 50 whilst it was being turned into a managed motorway so the speed drop was seen as being matched to the speed when leaving the motorway, plus slowing traffic in advance of the, initially delayed but currently now being done, reconstruction of The Meadows roundabout.
The limit reduction was originally also tied to plans by Surrey Heath / EnterpriseM3 to introduce a permanent bus route (including seated stops & bus layby areas) along that stretch of the A331 with the idea that it should serve commuters for the various industrial units including Stanhope Road, Riverside Way, etc, and as a result a 70 limit could be considered dangerous. Commuters would be encouraged to commute there by bus, not car, thus reducing congestion at peak times, although this appears to have been dropped during the budget cuts - although still forms part of the long term regeneration of Camberley town centre apparently.
It's worth noting that the 50 limit could be extended on a trial basis later this year as far as the Coleford Bridge / Mytchett junction as there was a consultation run late last year about environmental concerns and accidents on the stretch between Farnborough Gate & Coleford Bridge.
Info online suggests the limit past M&S / Tesco was dropped to match the A331 but also because Blackwater was surveyed as having a higher than acceptable rate of pollution / nox emissions.
Re the stretch towards Bracknell, past Broadmoor. I believe that drop was purely due to installation of the new offset Broadmoor access roundabout but with the intention of reducing speeding / accidents along that stretch too - so the 50 limits either side were extended to match.
At the time it was introduced the M3 was currently reduced to 50 whilst it was being turned into a managed motorway so the speed drop was seen as being matched to the speed when leaving the motorway, plus slowing traffic in advance of the, initially delayed but currently now being done, reconstruction of The Meadows roundabout.
The limit reduction was originally also tied to plans by Surrey Heath / EnterpriseM3 to introduce a permanent bus route (including seated stops & bus layby areas) along that stretch of the A331 with the idea that it should serve commuters for the various industrial units including Stanhope Road, Riverside Way, etc, and as a result a 70 limit could be considered dangerous. Commuters would be encouraged to commute there by bus, not car, thus reducing congestion at peak times, although this appears to have been dropped during the budget cuts - although still forms part of the long term regeneration of Camberley town centre apparently.
It's worth noting that the 50 limit could be extended on a trial basis later this year as far as the Coleford Bridge / Mytchett junction as there was a consultation run late last year about environmental concerns and accidents on the stretch between Farnborough Gate & Coleford Bridge.
Info online suggests the limit past M&S / Tesco was dropped to match the A331 but also because Blackwater was surveyed as having a higher than acceptable rate of pollution / nox emissions.
Re the stretch towards Bracknell, past Broadmoor. I believe that drop was purely due to installation of the new offset Broadmoor access roundabout but with the intention of reducing speeding / accidents along that stretch too - so the 50 limits either side were extended to match.
Edited by AlexRS2782 on Tuesday 19th February 01:12
oyster said:
brickwall said:
Crackie said:
Another irrelevant anecdote from you...… and you're being disingenuous again.
Here is a link which might help explain the real reason why various counties are seeing many limits reduced.
http://etsc.eu/wp-content/uploads/10-PIN-annual-re... .
The EU has set some extremely ambitious targets to reduce the number of people being killed and seriously injured on the EU's roads. These limits were set in 2010 and the target was for each country to reduce the number of KSI in their country by 50% by 2020. A difficult but possibly achievable goal for Bulgaria but stupidly unrealistic for countries such as Sweden and the UK which already had the safest roads in the world.
It is indeed bonkers - the EU really doesn't help itself when trying to win over the voters, does it.Here is a link which might help explain the real reason why various counties are seeing many limits reduced.
http://etsc.eu/wp-content/uploads/10-PIN-annual-re... .
The EU has set some extremely ambitious targets to reduce the number of people being killed and seriously injured on the EU's roads. These limits were set in 2010 and the target was for each country to reduce the number of KSI in their country by 50% by 2020. A difficult but possibly achievable goal for Bulgaria but stupidly unrealistic for countries such as Sweden and the UK which already had the safest roads in the world.
Repel_Max said:
None of those. It is probably because in an NSL 60 there are a lot of drivers who exceed that at 70-80mph. The limit is lowered to 50 to bring that down
No. NSL single carriageway roads have the highest levels of speed compliance by car drivers by a country mile.Percentage of car drivers exceeding the speed limit by road type:
Motorways - 48%
NSL Single Carriageways - 9%
30mph Roads - 52%
20mph Roads - 86%
Only 1% of drivers exceeded the limit by 10mph or more on NSL single carriageway roads.
Those statistics were gathered in free flowing conditions without hazards such as junctions, hills, sharp bends, etc - ie where it really was relatively safe to do so - and yet compliance remained really very very good.
oyster said:
brickwall said:
Crackie said:
Another irrelevant anecdote from you...… and you're being disingenuous again.
Here is a link which might help explain the real reason why various counties are seeing many limits reduced.
http://etsc.eu/wp-content/uploads/10-PIN-annual-re... .
The EU has set some extremely ambitious targets to reduce the number of people being killed and seriously injured on the EU's roads. These limits were set in 2010 and the target was for each country to reduce the number of KSI in their country by 50% by 2020. A difficult but possibly achievable goal for Bulgaria but stupidly unrealistic for countries such as Sweden and the UK which already had the safest roads in the world.
It is indeed bonkers - the EU really doesn't help itself when trying to win over the voters, does it.Here is a link which might help explain the real reason why various counties are seeing many limits reduced.
http://etsc.eu/wp-content/uploads/10-PIN-annual-re... .
The EU has set some extremely ambitious targets to reduce the number of people being killed and seriously injured on the EU's roads. These limits were set in 2010 and the target was for each country to reduce the number of KSI in their country by 50% by 2020. A difficult but possibly achievable goal for Bulgaria but stupidly unrealistic for countries such as Sweden and the UK which already had the safest roads in the world.
If you look at the data......Norway has outperformed all the other EU countries by far and is now number one...….iirc it was eighth in 2010. Despite this huge improvement, they increased their NSL on some roads approx. 5 years ago.
They know excessive speed is a relatively minor factor in road accidents...……..the improvements have come about because of their targeted driver training programmes. For example they've been targeting inexperienced, newly qualified, male drivers.
I think we should be looking their model ( training programmes ) and those of other Scandinavian countries; they have all achieved good road safety records despite their colder climates./ more hazardous road conditions.
Repel_Max...…… keep up the good work.
Edited by Crackie on Tuesday 19th February 13:27
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