Correct signage for a non-NSL country road?
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A new 40mph zone has been installed on the A4155 Henley to Maidenhead road at Hurley. There are the obligatory '40' signs as you enter the village, however once through the village you continue onto around a mile of (previously NSL) road without lamp-posts, that does NOT have any 40 repeater signage.
Does this make the limit un-enforcable? I thought that non-NSL roads without lamp-posts must have repeater signs set a minimum distance apart?
Can one of the BiB confirm. Thanks.
Does this make the limit un-enforcable? I thought that non-NSL roads without lamp-posts must have repeater signs set a minimum distance apart?
Can one of the BiB confirm. Thanks.
(non-legal-eagle opinion!) Yes this road should have repeaters at "regular intervals." Now the phrase "regular intervals" is not defined in the legislation, typical! So we have to turn to Traffic Advisory Leaflet 01 95 Speed Limit Signs
If you follow the link I suggest your road may fall into category 4(i); namely.
4. Road more than 350 metres in length:-
(i) on which the maximum speed limit is 40 mph;
and that means it is recommended that repeater signs diameter 300mm or greater should be placed
Maximum distance between consecutive signs on the same side of the carriageway 500m
Maximum distance between consecutive signs on alternate sides of the carriageway 350m
Maximum distance between start/end of length of road required to be signed and first/last repeater 250m.
Hence there should be repeaters.
You say this is a new limit, reference at council to speed limit order might show its not actually in force yet and they are just getting ready. You might find that the repeaters will appear in the course of the next few days. Equally not unknown for signs to be placed without a valid speed order due to councils being what they are, not the brightest lamp in the circuit.
Is the limit potentially un-enforceable. To be honest argueable. Maybe, maybe not in reality.
On the one hand I can see and support the point that if a motorist has to obey the letter of the law then so should the authorities. Problem occurs with the law ref lack of definition of regular intervals. On the other hand I can imagine some mags accepting that the local authority has tried, not good enough I know but that is known.
Hope that helps,
FiF
>> Edited by Flat in Fifth on Tuesday 17th May 22:06
If you follow the link I suggest your road may fall into category 4(i); namely.
4. Road more than 350 metres in length:-
(i) on which the maximum speed limit is 40 mph;
and that means it is recommended that repeater signs diameter 300mm or greater should be placed
Maximum distance between consecutive signs on the same side of the carriageway 500m
Maximum distance between consecutive signs on alternate sides of the carriageway 350m
Maximum distance between start/end of length of road required to be signed and first/last repeater 250m.
Hence there should be repeaters.
You say this is a new limit, reference at council to speed limit order might show its not actually in force yet and they are just getting ready. You might find that the repeaters will appear in the course of the next few days. Equally not unknown for signs to be placed without a valid speed order due to councils being what they are, not the brightest lamp in the circuit.
Is the limit potentially un-enforceable. To be honest argueable. Maybe, maybe not in reality.
On the one hand I can see and support the point that if a motorist has to obey the letter of the law then so should the authorities. Problem occurs with the law ref lack of definition of regular intervals. On the other hand I can imagine some mags accepting that the local authority has tried, not good enough I know but that is known.
Hope that helps,
FiF
>> Edited by Flat in Fifth on Tuesday 17th May 22:06
Dwight VanDriver said:
Correct.
Traffic Signs and General Directions 1984 Part II Direction 11(2) repeater signs to be present for that which stated giving the argument that the limit is illegal because it is not signed correctly.
DVD
I didn't realise that wasn't revoked by later versions, ah well one learns something new every day.
FiF
Flat in Fifth said:This is probably the case I expect. However no grey posts yet installed anywhere on the side of the road in the soon-to-be-ex-NSL limit area.
You say this is a new limit, reference at council to speed limit order might show its not actually in force yet and they are just getting ready. You might find that the repeaters will appear in the course of the next few days.
Even if it comes up to standards, it would be a very difficult road to enforce the limit by laser/radar as it twists and turns with no stright more then 100-odd meters, and no lay-by for the scamera van to park in
.puggit said:There has been a HUGE increase in accidents along that stretch of road SINCE it dropped from NSL to 30. 30 is just too slow for the conditions and it's causing people to overtake in stupid areas.
BTW - saw the aftermath of a really bad accident on the A4155 at Shiplake last Friday. This was on the short straight in the daft 30mph limit through the fields...
Incredibly ironic that the plebs who set the limit so low have inadvertently caused more accidents than before. Perhaps their cure would be to set the limit to 20mph??
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